Is this tropeworthy/Chairs?

As a "monster", being a Cute Witch instead of a plain Jane, or menacing, is of note?

Edited by Malady on Mar 7th 2024 at 6:43:24 AM

amathieu13 actually did a wick check for this last year. The "can use magic" folder seems to include examples with tropeworthy context (like witches of a Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold variety), but that's only a quarter of the wick sample at best. Most of the other examples are just "witches are more innocent than other witches", which even if tropeworthy feels redundant to Good Witch Versus Bad Witch and probably Perky Goth.

Cute Witch is actually (and by own description) is a derivative stereotype of Magical Girl, and not an actual western witch who is young. It describes girls who believe practical magic is "wonderful and fantastical".

Edited by Amonimus on Mar 7th 2024 at 6:37:51 PM

It's one of those annoying trope names that makes the trope seem wider than it is.

There is a solid core trope there (and heck, it even allows for some Western examples, since the first Cute Witch shows were explicitly inspired by Bewitched), but that's not going to stop people from adding just about any "witch who is cute".

Edited by DoktorvonEurotrash on Mar 7th 2024 at 11:39:48 AM

Either it can be split for Magical Girl archetype (if not merges with it completey), and western archetype of Kid Hero as a subversion of Black Magic, or the "cute" part be replaced with general association of little girls with Utility Magic.

Thanks Amonimus, Cute Witch is an specific variant of Magical Girl, but its understandable a western fan would be caught off guard by the trope. Its not a very popular genre outside of Japan.

Most of the examples for Big Door just seem like "large doors show up in fiction sometimes". Is there anything tropeworthy here?

The trope is for doors that are unreasonably big for representation, not for utility. For example, a hangar door does not count, as it's big because it needs to fit an airplane. A 5m tall door of a palace room does, because it's meant for people and is big to be flashy.

It needs to be checked for misuse. The real life section tends to be the most guilty about it. The page image, on the other hand, shows exactly the kind of door that the trope is intended for.

Re Cute Witch, a rename might help.

I remember we had a similar issue with the sister trope Magical Girl Warrior (the action-based, evil-fighting Magical Girl archetype along the lines of Sailor Moon), which was originally simply named Magical Warrior, leading to tropers adding, well, every magic-using warrior character, whether or not they were a Magical Girl.

In other words, Cute Witch would benefit from a name clarifying that it's a Magical Girl subtrope.

Edited by DoktorvonEurotrash on Mar 8th 2024 at 8:53:34 AM

There's some discussion of the issues with Cute Witch in the Dark Magical Girl TRS thread starting here.

Edited by MorganWick on Mar 9th 2024 at 2:42:58 AM

Avoiding the Great War seems like a WWI specific variant of Prevent the War (though I've seen at least one example involving another historical war). Is this a tropeworthy enough to split. The only reason I can think why this needs a separate trope is that because it deals with a historical war, any example is either doomed to fail or become an Alternate History.

I think that question is better suited on the Duplicate tropes discussion thread.

I already did and was told that Avoiding the Great War was a subtrope. I'm bringing this up here because I want to know if have a WWI specific subtrope is necessary.

Edited by SharkToast on Mar 14th 2024 at 4:32:56 AM

I think it does. It is a Sub-Trope.

I think it's a pretty clear distinction.

Avoiding the Great War is about a well-known war that we know happened in our history. Prevent the War is about a potential war that is thus completely up in the air whether or not it will happen (and if the story is sufficiently idealistic and/or child-friendly, the audience can make a fairly good assumption that it won't, in order to ensure a happy ending).

Edited by DoktorvonEurotrash on Mar 15th 2024 at 10:55:25 AM

The trope is legit. The real problem is how it affects the story and the conclusion of it (the heroes won... except the war is still going to happen in 1914, rather than in [whatever year it is in-universe]), rather than if it is necessary to have it.

Is Tickertape Parade just "these kinds of parades exist"?

This appears so. I'd rather it be reworked into a broader Grandiose Parade, which is a common event in stories for something to go wrong or set up a chase scene.

Edited by Amonimus on Mar 16th 2024 at 7:50:42 PM

I just found Stock American Phrases and uh. I'm really not sure what the actual point of this "trope" is.

the use of specific phrases identifying a nationality/state culture COULD have potential, but.. that page itself is just horrible. "have a nice day" is exclusive to america? really?

Edited by fullmusicbard on Mar 17th 2024 at 8:33:42 AM

Because as we all know, America invented the concepts of freedom, guns, and basic pleasantries.

But yeah this reads more like a very weird UN page.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 17th 2024 at 11:35:25 AM

It probably fit better when it launched back in 2008 in the wiki's Wild West days.

Edited by MorganWick on Mar 18th 2024 at 12:40:51 PM

What's the purpose of Immigrant Parents?

Amazingly Embarrassing Parents due to Culture Clash when the child doesn't have Culture Clash. Also parents telling interesting and maybe aesopish stories in another country.

I guess it could have included family that lives (lived) abroad instead of sticking with "immigrant".

Edited by Amonimus on Mar 18th 2024 at 3:54:13 PM

Going back a bit... "have a nice day" is a distinctively US American (and Canadian?) phrase. If you use it in Great Britain or Australia, people will assume you're either American, or trying to sound like you are.