Oftentimes here in Trope Talk, we get questions about whether or not a given trope is tropeworthy enough, or is an example of the kind of non-tropes discussed in People Sit on Chairs. These threads are extremely frequent, and per discussion
in the TRS meta thread, this megathread was created.
This will be a centralized place to ask: is this article I found tropeworthy? Does it convey meaning or is it used to tell the story, or is it just something that happens to exist in a work? Ask here, and hopefully you will get the answers you need.
Remember, something that is "(people sit on) chairs" means it's happenstance or conveys no meaning. Something that also happens in real life, is common, is rare, or seems minor is not the same as being chairs.
As an additional note, keep this in mind when bringing tropes in, as noted by amathieu13:
Edited by Tabs on Oct 29th 2023 at 10:08:41 AM
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I dont see what characters have to do with this. Or even College, this was never about that.
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Oh shit, I meant California University haha
Glad to have heard this anyway though. It's something to think about, even if just for fun 
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Heh, mistakes happen. No worries. 
I think California University is supposed to be when characters graduate from High School and go to a college nearby, as opposed to one that's far away, because this keeps the writers from having to upend the whole setting.
Handguns looks like "handguns exist".
The universe is under no obligation to make sense to us.
the Retromancer
It's trying to be "small pistols are heroic", but you wouldn't know that by name.
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Very Spooky
Indeed it does. The description goes into detail about how handguns are viewed as “badass” weapons that can (unrealistically) take on larger guns, but the current state of the page doesn’t reflect that sentiment well.
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I think most of the handguns article is chairs. I don't think handguns are actually depicted as being especially cool or heroic. Rather they are the normal gun in film and tv. Police and criminals use primarily handguns in real life and it is used for civilian carry. Basically if you are not in war or hunting, using a small easy to carry weapon is typical.
the Retromancer
Is American Robot doing something Eagleland doesn't? It's not inherently American to add more guns to a robot.
Edited by Amonimus on Feb 21st 2024 at 2:23:43 PM
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Maybe there's something in "patriotic robot"? But I'm more of the opinion that "American" and "robot" are two incidental traits more than a trope.
God that is one shoddily justified trope.
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It's been discussed before. I think there's something to the idea of a 'murica bot, big and patriotic and warlike, but as is it's a nothingburger
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Some of the examples are contrasted with Japanese themed robots, so that suggests it is a subtrope of national themed robots, which doesn't seem tropeworthy to me.
dave bowman but worse
There isn't really a 'American-style' of robot, and the description just says they have lots of weaponry. It seems largely pointless.
Longest Song Goes First and Longest Song Goes Last seem somewhat iffy as tropes, even with the scope limitations that appear to have been decided unilaterally by the sponsor.
Edited by Prfnoff on Feb 22nd 2024 at 6:30:20 AM
Your Vampires Suck seems like a very specific version of Take That!
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I can see it being even more viable if broadened to include other kinds of monsters taking potshots at their other pop culture variations. But the page does support the notion of vampires specifically doing this a lot in media.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Face on the Cover seems way too common and isn't anything other than "this work has the (main) person's/persons' face(s) on the cover". Pretty much all Japanese pop music releases do this, for example. Hello! Project has like... less than 10 examples I can think of off the top of my head (at most there'd be like 20) across the hundreds and hundreds of CDs their artists have released in the past 25 years.
I just don't see it as noteworthy, and it's not a narrative/fiction-based trope.
Edited by Zazie122 on Feb 29th 2024 at 3:16:24 AM
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Very Spooky
Big Bad is an extremely common trope; doesn't make it any less valid. As the Laconic states, this tends to be done for marketing, since visually showing who made the music is much more likely to draw you in. The examples don't (and don't really need to) specify such.
Remember that Hello! Project is just one group; there's millions of other musicians out there who don't put their faces on the cover. Admittedly, some examples are stretching it a bit—I'm thinking more of faces front and center, while many example boil down to just "musician/bandmembers appear on cover, no matter how in-focus they are or not"—but I'm not convinced this is entirely meaningless.
(And advertising/marketing tropes are, of course, just as valid as narrative or thematic ones.)
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But the difference is that Big Bad is a narrative trope and present in fiction — which is why I brought up Face on the Cover specifically. FOTC, in my opinion, does not describe anything done for plot/story reasons, and it's not a trope about characters or fictional content. It's just a very common marketing thing.
Marketing tropes are indeed valid but I feel like FOTC doesn't really add anything? I dunno.
Though perhaps it might be one of those cases where the page defines the term but doesn't list any examples on the actual page because it's super common.
I know it's more common in some genres than in others, though. Another option could be non-music examples only.
Edited by Zazie122 on Feb 29th 2024 at 4:13:19 AM
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It's still arguably an artistic decision, though, and No Trope Is Too Common so that alone isn't a disqualifier.
Your Vampires Suck seems to mostly be examples of works lamp shading that their Vampires are Different.
Example: "In Life Blood, Dan attempts to throw a jar of garlic salt in Brooke's face. She sneers at him and asks if he learned that from a comic book."
I've seen things get cut for being too common, however.
But I will admit that his one might be a case of it simply being everywhere in the music genres I listen to and not a universal thing.
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Cute Witch is just witches that are cute, right ?
Well, technically it's not a trope because it's Trivia. It's an aspect of work production that pertains filming it in a place that doesn't match the in-universe setting, whether due to financial or logistical reasons (on rare occasions, there's also a legal constraint).
And before you ask me, yes, I think it's "triviaworthy".
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