To-do list:
Consensus was to create two new namespaces for pages currently located in Useful Notes, a Platform/ namespace for media platforms (game consoles, operating systems, etc., like Nintendo Game Cube, Microsoft Windows, and Steam) and a MediaNotes/ namespace for pages containing background information on media, like How Video Game Specs Work or ANSI Standard Broadcast TV Schedule. Thus, the following will need to be done:- Go through the Useful Notes index and see which pages should be moved from UsefulNotes/ to either Platform/ or MediaNotes/.
Original post:
Useful Notes, from what I understand, is meant to be specifically about informing readers about complicated subjects that show up a lot in the media, to help them understand how to properly portray it. These subjects range from historical events to real-life locations and cultures. There's some subjectivity about what's "useful" here, but it's a pretty specific namespace otherwise.However, we also have a class of pages that really don't fit this mold. However, they're in UN because there's no better namespace for them. These are the "media history" pages, such as the pages on various game consoles. They're not work pages because these things aren't tropeworthy, they're not creator pages because they're individual works, tools, or concepts; and they're not trivia because why would they be? They're in Useful Notes because they're informative pages on things related to media, but you'd be hard pressed to say that reading UsefulNotes.Nintendo Game Cube would help you write a book. These pages serve a function that's definitely relevant to the website, but they just don't fit the intended use of Useful Notes.
The reason I'm bringing this up now is because the TRS thread for RetroGaming wants to make it UsefulNotes, which
... I did vote for because at the moment there ain't no rule saying it doesn't go there, but I did make it clear that my true stance is a lot different. I didn't want to derail the discussion though, because Retro Gaming would just be another drop in the ocean, not the problem in and of itself.
This reminds me of the state of the Franchise/ namespace before Derivative Works/ was created pretty recently. The namespace was being used for things it shouldn't be used for simply because we lacked anything more suitable. So one possible solution would just be to create a new namespace for these pages, such as Media History/ or something, to preserve them as their own category.
The other solution is to just expand the definition of "Useful Notes" to include pages like these. I'm not sure I agree with this because in my opinion this would just validate some of the serious decay issues the namespace has (seriously, there are a lot of superfluous pages), but it would also be the easiest thing to do and would allow us to maintain the current status quo.
And of course, you may disagree with me that there's even a problem here at all. I'm just calling it as I see it based on my understanding of the namespace guidelines, especially as UN misuse and bloat has been called out elsewhere in the past.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 23rd 2024 at 1:25:29 PM
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Thank you for the feedback and rmctagg09 for making the move requests
I just have one more list of pages that could be MediaNotes/ from Entertainment World History:
- UsefulNotes.The Japanese Invasion to MediaNotes.The Japanese Invasion (history of the upsurge of popularity of Japanese media)
- UsefulNotes.Korean Wave to MediaNotes.Korean Wave (history of the upsurge of popularity of Korean media)
- UsefulNotes.Western RPG to MediaNotes.Western RPG (history of Western RPG)
- UsefulNotes.French New Wave to MediaNotes.French New Wave (French art film movement)
- UsefulNotes.Biker Media to MediaNotes.Biker Media (history of media about bikers)
I'm less certain about these:
- UsefulNotes.Pc Vs Console to MediaNotes.Pc Vs Console (in a similar vein to Console Wars?)
- UsefulNotes.The Auteur Theory to MediaNotes.The Auteur Theory (a theory in filmmaking, but it apparently did influence/cause the New Hollywood era)
- UsefulNotes.Punk to MediaNotes.Punk (history of the Punk music genre, but since there's no Main/ page serving as an index like a lot of other music genre pages, I'm uncertain.)
(I don't know how many music genre pages have UsefulNotes/ pages though)
Edited by BlackFaithStar on Mar 9th 2024 at 7:12:12 PM
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Waffle Cat (she/her)
I agree with moving all of those to Media Notes/.
Though, now that you mention it... we are lacking a Punk Music trope. In any case, I think you should title it. MediaNotes.Punk Music History or MediaNotes.History Of Punk Music to avoid confusion with the Punk Punk tropes.
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Do UsefulNotes.Film Formats and UsefulNotes.Analog Vs Digital seem like they should be in the Media Notes namespace?
In the same vein as Console Wars, UsefulNotes.Computer Wars can probably also be moved.
Waffle Cat (she/her)
Seconded.
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the Retromancer
As this was brought up before, is Website.Pixiv fine as Platform.Pixiv? As a website it doesn't have tropes on it's own, but it can be used as a work index in analogy with Platform.Deviant Art.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I second it
Would UsefulNotes.Home Video Distributors also fit under Media Notes?
Waffle Cat (she/her)
I think that rather fits Platform/
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It wasn't a rock
It's not a particular platform, just an overview of distributors. I would say MediaNotes/ is fitting. Same deal with news media networks.
Edited by GrafVonTirol on Mar 12th 2024 at 7:57:11 AM
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UsefulNotes.Giffoni Honorees can probably also go under Media Notes.
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MediaNotes.Entertainment Software Rating Board has some redirects in the Main namespace, which were merged from other pages. Should those be moved to Media Notes as well.
Waffle Cat (she/her)
I think so but I also think it'd be a good idea to just cut the ones that are redundant.
Here there be cats.
It seems they were previously separate pages, but were merged by crowner, so I don't know if cutting them would be allowed.
Waffle Cat (she/her)
In that case, just migrating them then.
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The Wanderer
Should Website.Darwin Awards be moved to Platform/ or Media Notes/?
Edited by rmctagg09 on Mar 13th 2024 at 4:47:59 AM
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No real reason for it
Waffle Cat (she/her)
From what I'm getting from the description, it seems to be heavy in tropable content, so I think it's better it stays as a work's page.
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Waffle Cat (she/her)
Should be UsefulNotes.Fighting Game be Media Notes/ instead?
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The Wanderer
I'd think so.
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.
Getting better at learning (He/Him)
Would it be appropriate to move UsefulNotes.Mii to MediaNotes.Mii, since they're a recurring avatar system on Nintendo's consoles and have a presence in numerous games?
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Consensus was to create two new namespaces for pages currently located in Useful Notes, a Platform/ namespace for media platforms (game consoles, operating systems, etc., like Nintendo Game Cube, Microsoft Windows, and Steam) and a second namespace for pages containing background information on media, like How Video Game Specs Work or ANSI Standard Broadcast TV Schedule. The name of the namespace for background information on media hasn't been decided yet, so what should its name be?
All of these would do better as media notes
Even Java