Death Battle cleanup

Exactly. In the Mikasa vs Blake episode, Mikasa did have a win condition in the form of the Thunder Spears but they weren't practical in the fight as they were mainly designed for slow, lumbering large targets and not agile human-sized people that can easily dodge them.

So anyways let me write a draft for Makima vs Gojo

• Gojo VS Makima had the Jujutsu sorcerer sensei reinforce why he's "the Strongest". As powerful as Makima's Control ability is, it required that she convince herself of her superiority over her subjects, which would be an uphill battle against someone far too powerful and full of self-confidence. Even if she did manage to get him under her control, it's ultimately short-lived as Reverse Curse Technique refreshes Gojo's brain with positive cursed energy 24/7, breaking her control on him. Scaling with Jogo, Gojo's far more powerful than Makima or any of her counterparts. Even her collection of Devils and Hybrids would matter little, as Gojo's Infinity would be able to repel any attacks from them, while Red and Blue could wipe them out with ease. Even in Scry vs. Scry, Makima's Future Devil's precognition would be unable to give her any tangible advantage as Gojo could simply use Six Eyes to track her and his own teleportation to catch up and prevent her from setting up her Instant-Kill attack or shutting down his abilities. Her only possible way to win, "Bang", is too weak against Gojo's Reverse Curse Technique's healing should it bypass his Infinity ability. Furthermore, Gojo's Unlimited Void is far too powerful for Makima to withstand and it's not even a physical attack but an information overload. Even if she survives that, Gojo's Hollow Purple gives him the means to finish her off. While Makima's immortality Contract gives her Born-Again Immortality and Gojo couldn't detect it (which would have given him the means to truly kill her), should she die she undergoes a Death of Personality, making her death for all intents and purposes one. To drive the point home, the analysis begins by stating that Gojo had everything going for him, showing how one-sided the match ultimately was.

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Oct 24th 2023 at 11:57:50 AM

I think that's pretty good?

Anyways, a final final revision for Colex.

• Cole MacGrath VS Alex Mercer had the Patron Saint of New Marais firmly come out on top. While Alex was superior in terms of experience, intelligence, and regeneration-induced tenacity, it all mattered little when confronted with Cole, who was capable of resisting the Blacklight Virus due to successfully fighting back against destruction on the atomic level caused by both the Beast and the Ray Sphere. Cole could also negate Alex's regeneration with the Bio-Leech, making that advantage most likely not a factor. On top of the fact that he had projectiles to keep his foe at bay, Cole had also demonstrated higher speeds and superior strength thanks to his forcefields as well as his being able to kill the Beast, as well as tougher durability, making him far beyond anyone Alex has fought. On top of that, due to having destroyed the Beast at the atomic level, he could bypass Alex's insane regeneration even without the Bio-Leech. While Alex had the ability to steal Cole's biomass to gain a power boost, the latter could return the favor by absorbing Alex's bioelectricity with more effective results. As the final nail in the coffin, the hosts noted that if Evil Cole was used in the fight, he would have an even easier time destroying Alex thanks to having the Beast's powers which would completely outclass everything the Blacklight Virus prototype had in store. No matter what, Alex was completely outclassed in almost every regard.

I am still very iffy on whether the fingerguns would be capable of killing Gojo. If nothing else it's suspect that we can call this a stomp when she is capable of harming him to such a degree even if he regenerates?

Like a stomp is a totally one-sided affair, not just someone with a massive collection of reasons why they win. If Makima can fight back and even potentially win, that's really not a stomp?

EDIT: All they say about the regen is that he can "use it to recover humungous wounds", that does not sound like he can survive a headshot?

Edited by Happyfrybreath on Oct 25th 2023 at 6:10:11 AM

Would Makima even land a headshot? She's the type to enjoy watching someone squirm beneath her heels. We are already bringing in their characteristics in the fight, so she wouldn't go for a head shot because she wants to make sure she knows herself as superior alongside Gojo.

I mean, if she could headshot Gojo, they'd probably have brought it up considering they usually bring up wincons the opponent has in the verdict.

Idk it seems like you guys are kinda reaching honestly. None of this is convincing me that Makima can't put up any sort of fight against Gojo.

But I won't stop you I guess.

The animation itself bears mentioning, as Gojo was barely taking the fight seriously from the moment he arrived, with every attack Makima threw at him being either deflected by Infinity or instantly countered in some other fashion. The only attack that had any effect on him was "Bang", but he healed back from that soon enough as well. The moment Gojo got serious, Makima was swiftly atomized with no chance of resistance.

An updated writeup

• Gojo VS Makima had the Jujutsu sorcerer sensei reinforce why he's "the Strongest". As powerful as Makima's Control ability is, it required that she convince herself of her superiority over her subjects, which would be an uphill battle against someone far too powerful and full of self-confidence. Even if she did manage to get him under her control, it's ultimately short-lived as Reverse Curse Technique refreshes Gojo's brain with positive cursed energy 24/7, breaking her control on him. Scaling with Jogo, Gojo's far more powerful than Makima or any of her counterparts. Even her collection of Devils and Hybrids would matter little, as Gojo's Infinity would be able to repel any attacks from them, while Red and Blue could wipe them out with ease. Even in Scry vs. Scry, Makima's Future Devil's precognition would be unable to give her any tangible advantage as Gojo could simply use Six Eyes to track her and his own teleportation to catch up and prevent her from setting up her Instant-Kill attack or shutting down his abilities. Her only possible way to win, "Bang", is too weak against Gojo's Reverse Curse Technique's healing should it bypass his Infinity ability. Furthermore, Gojo's Unlimited Void is far too powerful for Makima to withstand and it's not even a physical attack but an information overload. Even if she survives that, Gojo's Hollow Purple gives him the means to finish her off as it destroys her down to the atomic level. While Makima's immortality Contract gives her Born-Again Immortality and Gojo couldn't detect it (which would have given him the means to truly kill her), should she die she undergoes a Death of Personality, making her death for all intents and purposes one. Even the animation reflects this: Gojo wasn't even taking the fight seriously while Makima was throwing everything she has at him, all of which were ineffectual. The moment Gojo gets serious, she's annihilated immediately. To drive the point home, the analysis begins by stating that Gojo had everything going for him, showing how one-sided the match ultimately was.

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Oct 29th 2023 at 1:42:36 AM

Episode titles should not be italicized.

Can someone add Colex real quick?

This might be a bit controversial, but isn't Season 3 agreed to be one of the worst seasons of Death Battle? If so, I could potentially make an Audience-Alienating Era entry for it. I do know why because of the combination of poor research and low animation quality, but if that's not enough, feel free to refute.

Season 3 is weird, because there are a ton of fan favorute episodes in it - Dante vs. Bayo, R&C vs J&D, Meta vs. Carolina, Hulk vs. Doomsday, Zoro vs. Erza, Ken vs. Terry, are all REALLY well liked, but the low points are very low.

Count my hat in the ring for not counting Gojo vs. Makima as a Curb-Stomp Battle. Makima's BANG and the commentary behind it basically undoes any reasoning for it being a true curbstomp. Gojo does basically have an instant win using his Domain Expansion, but Makima gets her licks in that did genuine damage and there's no reason to think she couldn't have taken Gojo out if she landed a killing blow. She atomized his leg. Gojo can heal, but we know he can't come back from an instantly fatal attack. And it was clear that it wasn't just The Law of Diminishing Defensive Effort, he was clearly taken aback by it.

Also, the writeup kinda oversells how far Makima's back was against the wall. Both of them were equally smug basically throughout the entire fight.

It could be argued that Gojo winning is essentially a Foregone Conclusion based on his powerset and power level based on hers (his positive Curse energy reset being a perfect counter to her Control abilities), but even that's not quite right since she had the means to take him out (ie an attack that bypasses his defenses and the speed to hit him) but she didn't land a kill shot.

Edited by Larkmarn on Oct 31st 2023 at 1:16:03 PM

Well, here's my Audience-Alienating Era entry for Death Battle:

• Audience-Alienating Era: Among many Death Battle fans, Season 3 is considered to be an dark age among them. The reason for that is while it initially had a strong start with "Dante vs. Bayonetta", it quickly fell off afterwards, with at least half of the episodes having poor animation quality, an lack of research or bias towards certain characters, or both. While there were some good episodes, they were overshadowed by the amount of disappointing fights, culminating in the underwhelming finale of "Deadpool vs. Pinkie Pie". Not helping matters is that Death Battle X replaced 1 Minute Melee as a side series, and initial consensus was that it was inferior due to the experimental style. Fortunately, the creators managed to rectify the mistakes by improving their not just their research, but also improving the animation quality as well and introduced a hand-written style to further enhance the quality of their battles, and the Season 4 Finale, "Sephiroth vs. Vergil" is agreed to be a massive improvement compared to the previous finale, and Death Battle X also improved on everything else to the point that it's agreed to be on par with 1 Minute Melee or even superior towards it. While there are a few disappointing matchups, the rest of the seasons are nowhere near the poor quality of Season 3.

Anything wrong with it?

So, Scooby vs. Courage is weird. It's definitely an inversion of a curbstomp between the combatants, considering that both dogs literally couldn't kill each other... but the same doesn't apply to Eustace Bagge, who gets badly destroyed by the Chest of Demons despite not even being a combatant, and gets considered the loser and casualty of the match by the hosts.

The recap page counted it as a Curb-Stomp Battle against Eustace (dressed as the monster) who never once manages to land a hit on either dog.

Edited by ironcommando on Nov 7th 2023 at 8:50:37 PM

I'm not sure if this would count — the character wasn't in the analysis, but could count as getting curbstomped in the animation itself as the hosts did count him as the casualty and loser. Does that make it a curbstomp, albeit an unconventional one?

"DEATH BATTLE! S10E13 "Scooby-Doo VS Courage the Cowardly Dog"" wasn't this in the slightest with regards to both combatants, as they could survive anything they could throw at each other to the point where the result was considered a draw. The same couldn't be said for Courage's abusive owner Eustace Bagge against the duo, who posed as the monster with the intent to chase and kill the dogs but failed to land a single hit on either of them, gets exposed as the perpetrator, then pulled apart and dragged into the Chest of Demons at the end. The hosts even declared Eustace Bagge as both the loser and casualty of the match.

Edited by ironcommando on Nov 8th 2023 at 6:33:08 PM

Hmm...

I mean sure, why not

Another one to add to YMMV/DeathBattle under Captain Obvious Reveal:

• Practically everyone knew the identity of the monster chasing Scooby-Doo and Courage from the get-go even before the "Scooby-Doo" Hoax, as the only person who keeps a monster mask resembling its face is Courage's abusive owner Eustace Bagge. Its attempt to attack Scooby with Eustace's mallet made its identity even more obvious.

Edited by ironcommando on Nov 10th 2023 at 1:48:27 AM

Got another YMMV regarding Courage vs Scooby-Doo, this one being Catharsis Factor.

• Not only were many people relieved that neither Scooby-Doo nor Courage died in their fight against one another, but people took immense satisfaction in Eustace being killed instead for how much he abused Courage.

I feel if we add Scourage we should add Colex and Gojokima first.

No, let's not add Courage vs. Scooby in anyway to the Curbstomp, that just leads to it getting muddy like the first time around.

Scooby VS Courage isn't a Curb-Stomp Battle because it's not really a battle at all.

Aight. Can someone please add Cole vs. Alex? I've had the writeup for months and I just want it to be put down already..

I feel like by now, it's safe to list Toonforce users as Memetic Badasses. This is something that's already been the case for a while, but the fact that a fight between toonforce users couldn't even lead to a toonforce character losing heightens that fact. Not only does the show itself hold toonforce in high regard, but also the fanbase, and the fact that toonforce has a literal perfect winrate adds to this.

So yeah, would it be safe to list Toonforce users in the Memetic Badass category?

I think the ending of Scooby-Courage can be added to on the YMMV page under Shocking Moments, given the result. Here's a sample write-up.

The final KO of Scooby-Doo versus Courage surprised many watchers with both candidates surviving in a draw and Eustace Bagge being killed off to satisfy the requirement that the fight end with a death. While generally agreed to be the correct outcome in hindsight, there was little reason to believe a Death Battle could end in a draw this way.