Arthur Cleanup

Yeah that has nothing to do with a shift in societal values. Many of these people probably disliked the episode when it aired as well.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

I just removed the Take That, Scrappy! pothole from the reference to D.W. getting punched on Signature Scene.

By the way, early last year, there was a time where I removed a mean-spirited comment about her from the show’s Nightmare Fuel page and actually got into a private dispute over it. Please ask me if you want more information about this.

The aforementioned dispute has caused me to sometimes get nervous when I see I have a private message on this site. In fact, I just got nervous when I got the automatic message that I got for making a first post in this group of forums! (I was worried that someone would be arguing with me about the aforementioned pothole removal.)

Edited by MisterToodleoo on Apr 14th 2021 at 6:29:59 AM

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There was discussion a while back on the complaining cleanup about turning this thread into a preschool show cleanup thread in general. Should we do it, or should we make it a separate thread?

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I thought Arthur was more of a show aimed at grade schoolers.

As a side note, Mr. Toodleoo, I totally sympathise. When I hear people complaining about being "suspended for no reason", it sometimes makes me paranoid, and when I see mods, I get a little nervy (kinda like running into a cop while shopping), yet 90% of the time they just act like regular ol' users. It's a little disquieting. Not to disrespect them or anything, it's just me being paranoid.

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I would say that it's a problem with children's Edutainment shows in general, no matter what the age group.

Anyway, I found this on Arthur:

• Nadine is really confusing. If we assume all the characters are literally humans then what is she? She isn't Inexplicably Tailless like everyone else and she is a Barefoot Cartoon Animal (specifically a squirrel). So would D.W.'s Imaginary Friend be a human or a Funny Animal? Of course, this isn't a huge issue as she's an imaginary being, and is subject to the whim of her creator.How Kate and Pal can communicate with her is another question entirely.

Given that the example admits that Nadine is imaginary...

Edited by fragglelover on Apr 16th 2021 at 9:56:52 AM

She’s an imaginary friend. She’s whatever the hell DW imagines.

Ok bitch it's Weezer and it's Weezy

Also that's not really what Furry Confusion is. That's more Cartoon Creature.

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Looking over the page in question, the whole thing might need a look.

Part of it is "times the characters referred to themselves as human"and there isn't much organization (the Furry Denial examples are scattered throughout the page and an episode about head lice is mentioned twice.)

There's also this example:

One episode involves a wedding, in this case between two bunnies. One episode shows a future (albeit within a dream and dreams don't always make sense) where Arthur, an aardvark, is married to Francine, a monkey (with a son even though both were eighteen), and as seen in "The Good, the Bad, & the Binky", D.W.'s friend Emily is a rabbit, whose parents are a female rabbit and a male monkey, although families in this series are generally all the same species. Children of Interspecies Romance couples have mixed body features as well. For example Emily looks like a rabbit but has a monkey-ish nose.

Edited by fragglelover on Apr 17th 2021 at 9:23:11 AM

Yeah that's straight up not an example of Furry Confusion. I don't even see what's confusing about children with interspecies parents, unless they're a weird Fantastic Racist who doesn't think different species should be together.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Furry Confusion is supposed to be when non-anthropomorphic animals appear in the same work as anthropomorphic ones. So, an entry about how Arthur has a pet dog despite dogs like Binky being treated as regular people would count. An entry about humans coexisting with anthropomorphic animals doesn't.

I think it would be a shame to just axe the whole thing, so maybe move to Analysis. Also, I added an "aforementioned" to the lice thing.

For every low there is a high.

This is on WhatAnIdiot.Arthur:

• "That's A Baby Show!": Arthur got a recommendation from Buster to watch a spinoff of Bionic Bunny called Dark Bunny. It comes on after D.W.'s show, so he sits in the chair waiting for Mary Moo Cow to end. D.W. saw Dark Bunny once and the visuals terrified her.
  You'd Expect: D.W. would just get up and leave when the show is on, the way Arthur does when she's watching Mary Moo Cow.
  Instead: She argues with him, saying he can't watch it because the show is too scary for her.
  Predictably: Arthur goes to his mother to ask for permission. She says he can watch it since it's kid-friendly despite the visuals. When D.W. complains, her mother points out the obvious: "Can't you do something else while the show is on?" Only then does D.W. get the idea to draw in coloring books in her room while Arthur watches.

That's perfectly in character for DW. Also she's a child. Cut.

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Yeah, this feels like more of that "D.W. sucks" complaining. Delete the entry.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Another one from the What an Idiot page:

You'd Then Expect: If D.W. is lost, that she would go to a store employee, or the security guard nearby, and explain the situation, asking for directions to the front of the store. D.W. is a preschooler, but she is established as someone who can follow instructions if there is a reason. That is basic security when you are a child in a public place, like a grocery store or Wonder World.

D.W. may be able to follow instructions, but would you really expect her to know what the instructions were?

For every low there is a high.

Do people really expect four-year-olds to be entirely sensible in times of distress?

Seriously, let's just admit that D.W. is generally not a rational person due to her age, barring a few episodes that throw her the Smart Ball.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jun 6th 2021 at 11:51:31 AM

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It isn't just D.W., though. Here's one involving Muffy:

• "Francine's Bad Hair Day"
  • School pictures are around the corner. Francine doesn't think of them, since she's more focused on kickball until Muffy mentions that she could be really beautiful and have a nice picture.
    You'd Expect: Muffy to ask Francine what she'd want to wear to look nice on picture day, and what would look fine after kickball. It's very condescending to try and make someone over without knowing their tastes and preferences.
    Instead: Muffy makes Francine uncomfortable by trying to change her hair and clothes based on her standards of beauty. When her attempts go south, Muffy drags Francine to her salon appointment and guilts her by showing Francine's picture from the year before, and Francine is forced to use her soccer ball money to pay for the appointment. Then Muffy drops the bomb that Francine's hairstyle, a perm, is so delicate, that playing kickball would ruin it.
    The Result: Francine eventually can't hold still during the kickball game, and runs to catch the ball and play. She smudges her face and hairdo making a home run, and later tells off Muffy by saying "I'm sick of being perfect, and besides I like the way I used to look."

This is perfectly in character for Muffy, being the downplayed Rich Bitch and all.

Rock'n'roll never dies!

That’s entirely in-character for Muffy, and should be cut.

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From YMMV.Arthur, under Base-Breaking Character, D.W.'s entry describes her touching Arthur's toy plane as "stupidity" and "D.W.'s Very Bad Mood" as throwing a tantrum over "nothing".

For every low there is a high.

I will concede that her touching Arthur's plane was stupid, albeit not unrealistic for a four-year-old. The tantrum was also an overreaction, but I don't know if it's accurate to say it's "nothing."

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This is on Arthur S2 E10 - "D.W. Goes to Washington" / "Arthur's Mystery Envelope":

Laser-Guided Karma: D.W. is a brat during the whole trip, something that Jane and David note. They tell her it's rude to be a bad sport, especially when it's rare to get family time together. Sure enough, when D.W. does wander off on her own, she locks herself in an area off-limits on the tour and wanders around the corridors trying to find an exit.

So, I hope no one minds me bumping this, but I'm wondering about these examples:

• Snap Back: At the end of "The Last Day", all of the kids moved up to the next grade. Come season 20, that doesn't seem to have stuck, as D.W. is still in Ms. Morgan's class.

• Series Fauxnale: "The Last Day" plays out like it could have been the last episode. It seems like the production team wasn't expecting there to be a twentieth season, as the show has suffered a nasty case of Snap Back.

Given that the most recent special is about the child characters moving up a grade, with at least one event from "The Last Day" (Mr. Ratburn moving up to teach fourth grade as well), should these be rewritten?

I found this on the Arthur's Perfect Christmas page. Notice how it italicizes the mention of childhood Christmas excitement to make it seem bratty:

• Bratty Half-Pint: D.W. of course, perhaps more than usual. She keeps bugging Arthur and her parents about wanting Tina the Talking Tabby for Christmas, and keeps accusing Arthur of having written her letter to Santa all wrong despite him saying he didn't. On Christmas morning she's the first one up and wakes up everyone else by running throughout the house yelling that it's Christmas. She opens the bathroom door on Arthur using the toilet (she thought Santa was in there). And to top it all off, there's her Caillou-esque temper tantrum among seeing she did not get Tina the Talking Tabby for Christmas that's so loud it can be heard outside, and she is not punished for her actions.

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Can the Dethroning moments count? Sure there are DW entries there, but they reek of child haters. Most anti-DW posts on here are creepy since they are written by adults that hate kids because they don’t have developed minds.

We don't curate DMOS unless they break specific rules. Hating a specific character doesn't count.

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