Needs Help: Reality Is Unrealistic

At the very least we'll need a cleanup effort.

Well, considering that are 5 yes and 6 nays(total: 11 votes), the nay probably will win. Despite this, as noted by Getta in {{42}}, this is "depending on the viewer's knowledge of what is realistic and what isn't." Generally, when i do note an example with "To some" i generally do delete this using Examples Are Not Arguable as edit reason but the trope actually uses "some people" in the description. Any alternate solution to this problem?

edited 5th Jun '17 5:44:52 PM by MagBas

"but the trope actually uses "some people" in the description. Any alternate solution to this problem?"

By its very nature, "some people" means that it entirely depends on what the audience sees it as. Some people see it this way, some others see it that way, etc. In other words, subjective. YMMV.

35% of the wicks confuse Reality Is Unrealistic with another trope. If we look at the wicks that don't concern such a confusion, we have...:

• 31.4% (11/35) are Good.
  • 17.1% are generally good examples (3 + 3, of 35).
• 54.3% (19/35) are Bad.
  • 28.5% are general misuse (10/35).
    • Of the general misuse, let's be generous and say that 3 are audience reaction. If we add the "Evidence in an Argument" wicks — which is also being generous — we have 46.2% (6/13). Note that this is not "6 wicks of the 10 general misuse wicks" but rather 6 wicks of 13 wicks.
    • The majority of these bad wicks, which is to say 7 of the 13 wicks (53.8%) are not audience reactions. And that's when we're being generous.
    • A more conservative estimate would be just the two I mentioned before with the three "Evidence in an Argument" wicks, which is 38.5% (5/13). The most conservative estimate would not include the Evidence wicks and would just be 15.4% (2/13).
    • Obviously, these numbers plummet when looking at the 35 wicks, with the most generous estimate being 17.1% (6/35) and the most conservative estimate being 5.7% (2/35). And I would like to again point out that it's only 4% to 12% when looking at the whole wick check (2/50 and 6/50).
• 14.3% (5/35) are Neutral.

Given the wick check, I disagree that tropers generally use this trope as an Audience Reaction.

Moreover, I disagree that this trope is fundamentally an Audience Reaction (i.e. regardless of usage).

To add to what Madrugada has already said (and to quote the page), an Audience Reaction is "objectively not present in the work at all." Audience Reactions "cannot be played with." Audience Reactions are "highly subjective, argument-causing and aren't a building block of storytelling the way tropes are."

We can objectively look at what's in the work and say Reality Is Unrealistic does or doesn't apply here. It may take some discussion sometimes to determine if that idea really is pervasive, but that just means there's a bit more work, not a bit less validity.

Also, there are some cases where the writers play on audience's expectations of the world and use that for some purpose in the work. For example...

• Reality Is Unrealistic can be inverted, which would be Aluminum Christmas Trees. That is, one is when "an element of a work is expected to be real but it is not real" and the other is when "an element of a work is expected to not be real but it is real."
• Reality Is Unrealistic can be subverted, which could be (though I don't think necessarily) Truth in Television. That is, when the audience expects (say) the premise of an episode to function a certain way and the episode acts like it's about to work, but then the premise falls apart and functions how it would in real life.
  • An example of this may be an April Fools' Day episode of Game Grumps, which sets up the episode as the one where they finally have face cam, but what the audience actually sees is two guys not looking funny or making funny expressions; they only sound funny, and that's pretty much how most gamers act while they play video games (as they're focused on the game, not their body language or other visual gags).^{To quote the works page} Their justification for not using a Face Cam while playing: while they SOUND funny, they just LOOK like stereotypical gamers plopped in front of a TV. They only LOOK funny when they have the power of editing or a script.

edited 6th Jun '17 9:54:07 PM by WaterBlap

Opinions of the audience objectively are not within a work, independently of their frequency.

edited 7th Jun '17 8:48:38 AM by MagBas

There seems to be a lot on the side of " Audience Reaction" and little on the side of " Audience Reaction."

edited 7th Jun '17 8:55:10 AM by WaterBlap

Madrugada, in the post {{47}}, said " The best I can figure out is that you're including anything that isn't explicitly presented within the work by one of the characters."- and they definitively not treated the major part of the examples of the wick check as misuses of Reality Is Unrealistic. This was a misuse of Audience Reaction because this not involved emotional reaction, not because this was within the work.

edited 7th Jun '17 9:11:31 AM by MagBas

Currently are 6 yeas and 7 nays(11 votes in the total). I guess that the crowner already is defined. Reposting my question in {{52}}: this is "depending on the viewer's knowledge of what is realistic and what isn't." Generally, when i do note an example with "To some" i generally do delete this using Examples Are Not Arguable as edit reason but the trope actually uses "some people" in the description. Any alternate solution to this problem?

edited 9th Jun '17 2:07:16 PM by MagBas

Looking at the crowner, it's an even split.

We may have to close due to lack of consensus. That is, unless if some miracle occurs.