Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite

And for people saying, just make Midnight Bliss a generic attack

The dude is next to nothing as a character without it. He's a standard shoto with a divekick.

Wow, that was a lot of female characters considered.

Ingrid could be a pretty interesting choice as a playable character.

Remember Morrigan's Soul Eraser from the first two MVC games? If they can give her a move like that, they can probably do the same with Demitri in place of Midnight Bliss. Hell, there's nothing stopping Capcom from revamping Demitri's moveset if him being a "shoto with a divekick" is such a problem.

edited 5th Feb '17 2:28:18 PM by Chris

MB is also an iconic move of his. It's arguably more (in)famous than he is. I'd rather he not be in any game too lazy to implement it.

I agree to disagree then. I'd rather have Demitri in with either a different move or a generic version of Midnight Bliss (either because Marvel wouldn't mind or it would be easier on the animators) than not have him at all, since I actually like Demitri beyond his moveset.

Are we sure he's referring to Midnight Bliss? Hasn't Demitri made it into some of the past crossover games? I remember he was definitely in SVC Chaos. Though I guess the greater focus on a mainstream audience and the E-sports crowd would probably be a factor too.

I would. He joined over 12 years ago and has pretty consistently been involved with at least some iteration of the team since then. Heck he's had more involvement with the team than the Hulk!

edited 5th Feb '17 2:59:02 PM by comicwriter

Akuma might not be a given for TVC, but strictly talking about MVC series, he has appeared since COTA. (Though 2 of the games only had him as indirect gameplay cameos.)

He was in Capcom Fighting Evolution (though I haven't played it, so I don't know how that game handled his Midnight Bliss move, if at all) and the two Project × Zone games (where, IIRC, his Midnight Bliss move didn't change the enemies).

The only problems I could see with Midnight Bliss would be 1) Marvel not approving of their characters being turned into female caricatures of themselves, and 2) the amount of animation work that such a move would require. Honestly, both can be solved by having the characters turned into a generic woman model (one that isn't scantily-clad or showing any skin if that's a problem), similar to Anakaris' Doll Curse in MVC2.

Yes, Akuma did have a cameo in Marvel Super Heroes (where he popped up as a part of Anita's moveset), and his moveset was implemented into Quick-Change Ryu in Clash of Super Heroes. However, in terms of Akuma himself appearing and being a fully playable character, he was technically absent from those two games

One of my big problems with the American focus of MVC is that a lot of the choices tend to be less adventurous than games aimed a Japanese audiences. I appreciate the Capcom vs. SNK (and SNK vs. Capcom) series and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom for digging a little deeper. I don't think I'd ever expect to see someone like Tessa, Saki, Alex, Maki, or Kyosuke in Infinite.

Street Fighter is hit especially hard by this since they tend to be a rather nasty case of First Installment Wins.

edited 5th Feb '17 3:18:08 PM by comicwriter

Nina or Bleu from Breath of Fire would be really cool. Or Ox, come to think of it.

I almost suggested Karn, but his character fusion gimmick would be even worse than Midnight Bliss.

For some reason it seems Midnight Bliss is okay but only as long as it's in a traditional 2D sprite game.

Marvel not approving of their characters being turned into female caricatures of themselves.

Although it seems the comics have a female version of pretty much every male hero now.

It'd be easier with DC, which canonically has a parallel dimension where everyone is gender bent.

edited 5th Feb '17 5:12:24 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Yeah, it's really ironic that Marvel has no problem with pushing crap like Female Thor, but they won't allow the original Thor to be turned into a female...

In fact, if you'll all allow me to get something off my chest and go on a tangent about something really sensitive... I really hate this whole "progressive" push that Marvel has been doing recently, mostly because they've been prioritizing basically pushing an agenda over good writing and storytelling. Yes, we got some good out of it (Miles Morales and Kamala Khan), but we've got plenty of bad as well (Female Thor, Angela: Queen of Hel, HYDRA Cap, etc.). I really wish that Marvel would get more writers who are interested in telling good stories instead of shoving social justice where it isn't needed.

I'm all for having diversity, with more female characters and characters of color, (believe me, I'll gladly embrace characters like Miles Morales and Kamala Khan)... but not at the expense of interesting characters and compelling storytelling.

... now that I've said something that'll have me branded as a racist sexist bigot for life (joking aside, I understand many people disagree with me, and that's completely fine, I just want more focus on better stories and characters)... do you guys think Marvel's progressive push will influence this game's roster choices in any way (i.e. we'll see more characters of different nationalities like Elena, Juri, Rashid, and Laura)?

edited 5th Feb '17 6:40:39 PM by Chris

I've heard that female Thor actually sold really well, and the few stories with her I've seen have been pretty good. I especially liked the one where she's proving herself to the Warriors Three.

On Marvel's side maybe.

Capcom could care less about that sort of thing. We might get Rashid, but I don't expect much of anyone else since most of their ethnic characters are terrible and not particularly well loved.

Much as I really want Miles Morales in this game I'm also certain we'll wind up with Peter Parker instead, because Miles will never touch his popularity . The only minority I'm expecting for absolute certain is Black Panther, though we might also get Luke Cage given the Netflix series did well.

Oh Jesus fuck. Can we please go back to the stupid boob censorship debate from a few weeks back?

This is a very weird dichotomy that only exists in your head. If someone here has an interview or something backing up the claim that Marvel refused to let Demitri in because they didn't want to see their characters turned into women, I'd love to see it, but otherwise you're seeing weird connections where none exist.

edited 5th Feb '17 6:52:44 PM by comicwriter

I feel that if Iron Fist makes it in, Luke Cage will be a certainty, since this is a 2 against 2 fighting game and it'd be a shame to not have the original Heroes for Hire duo.

... what? I didn't bring up the "boob censorship" thing in my little tangent, and I have no reason to.

edited 5th Feb '17 6:52:16 PM by Chris

That's the joke. That it would be less contentious than suddenly trying to have a debate about Marvel's supposed "political correctness".

Even disregarding that, Street Fighter's crossover appearances tend to overwhelmingly favor characters from the first two games. There was some love for Alpha characters back in the old 2D crossovers, but that was largely because they were reusing sprites. I'm still amazed Alex made it into Tatsunoko vs. Capcom or that Ibuki, Elena and Dudley made it into the Tekken crossover.

edited 5th Feb '17 6:55:55 PM by comicwriter

The latter two were DLC. Elena was also a good foil to Tekken Capoeirista Christie, so that's probably the only reason she made it in.

Dudley is one of the 4 breakout characters from SF 3 with Makoto, Ibuki, and Alex otherwise, so he's no huge surprise.

What are people's thoughts on Ken? A lot of people prefer he stay out of the crossovers for being too similar to Ryu, but has his revamp in SF V changed any minds?

Still too similar in my opinion, and he doesn't have the edgelord cool factor that Akuma has, so I doubt he'll make it.

Demitri wasn't in Tatsunoko vs. Capcom either, so it might not be an issue with Marvel, or at least not only with Marvel.

These games are rather popular, so maybe, if some writer wants to do their own version of a gender changed hero at some later point in the comics, fans will start complaining why that version doesn't match the one they saw in this one videogame. And a writer shouldn't be tied to what a videogame said to create a story in a fully different medium, so there's that. I guess.

I'm just repeating myself but like I said a few weeks ago, it might just be as simple as Darkstalker being a niche franchise and Capcom not wanting to devote too many roster slots to it. Demitri making it into SVC over Morrigan or Felicia was kind of an upset, from what I understand.

edited 5th Feb '17 7:18:17 PM by comicwriter

There was backlash over that?

Also repeating myself here, it doesn't help that, not counting rereleases and crossover appearances, Capcom hasn't done anything with the franchise since Darkstalkers 3. Hopefully that will change with Capcom focusing more on their dormant IPs.

Plus the additional work of making the Midnight Blissed models.

Even if that is indeed a thing that happens (and while it could happen, I don't think that it's as commonplace as you seem to believe)...I fail to see why this would be a problem here. They'll presumably be writing the plot around whatever characters they pick, so I don't see what your concern is.