Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
Keep Reading is The Same But More Specific, covering an instance not explicitly mentioned in Sounding It Out, even though it isn't needed if Tropes Are Flexible. Agree with Morgenthaler.
edited 7th May '16 3:27:44 PM by TheOneWhoTropes
Keeper of The Celestial Flame
Ok this failed the 'predict the trope' test. I expected the standard jump the gun after reading something shocking only for someone to tell them to 'keep reading'.
But anyway ![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
agree.
Agree with Morgenthaler. Tropes Are Flexible in this case. Cut and move.
edited 8th May '16 2:36:09 PM by pokedude10
The Unknown
I agree with the cut, but I personally think Sounding It Out is a really bad name. It sounds like a different trope altogether concerning pronunciation instead of a sister trope to Repeating So the Audience Can Hear. (Or is it a duplicate?)
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
There is another similar YKTTW thread which could be included in the merge.
The current definitions of these two tropes are inconsistent, which precludes an easy merge of examples and wicks. The first sentence of Sounding It Out's description says that the character reading out loud has to be "completely alone," whereas Keep Reading's Example as a Thesis involves two characters.
^^ Hmm. That draft actually seems distinct enough to be its own trope. Maybe. Sounds like it's restricted to in universe justifiable examples, which might be enough to differentiate it.
^^ I don't see any real obstruction. The description for Keep Reading mentions two people as a possible scenario/justification of how it can play out, not a hard and fast rule. Even if it were, it's still But More Specific to Sounding It Out.
^^^ Again, I think that's The Same But More Specific. The only thing it changes up is "it's a messenger who's reading for the audience's benefit", which isn't even an excluding criterion for either Keep Reading or Sounding It Out, they only use the non-specific "a character".
edited 11th May '16 2:47:31 AM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Bump. Any other thoughts?
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Anyway, since Personal Letter Reader is still in YKTTW, its fate should be decided there. The only thing on the table here is Keep Reading being The Same But More Specific to Sounding It Out, so made a crowner to resolve that
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It's hooked. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Grr... <3
I think they are distinct tropes, especially if the part where the other person says "keep reading" is emphasised. But it happens like, maybe five times across all media? And it always involves sounding it out anyway.
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Calling for the cut-and-move.
Grr... <3
I attempted to merge, but didn't get too far.
- In the film version of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, when the Marauder's Map insults Snape, he angrily hands it to Harry and orders him to read it. As is typical, Harry hesitates halfway through, because he's nervous about reading a text that insults Snape, but Snape calmly tells him: "Go on."
- Featured in The Count of Monte Cristo when General Nortier forces Franz Depinay to read aloud the true account of his father's death, previously believed to be a suicide
- Inverted in Sherlock Holmes: Watson will ask Holmes what a letter says, and rather than tell him, Holmes will hand it over so the full text can appear in Watson's narration.
- Played for Laughs in the tenth and last book of the Malazan Book of the Fallen. Brys Beddict receives a letter from his brother and asks one of his aides to read it aloud, in case it contains vital information. Bad idea. In typical Tehol Beddict fashion, the letter begins with "Dearest brother, have you slept with her yet?" Cue sheepish silence in the command tent. But since the damage is already done, Brys bids his aide to continue.
- In an early episode of Lost, Sawyer shows Kate a letter supposedly written to him by a little boy. When she stops reading, he says "Oh don't stop now!" implying the most dramatic part of the letter is yet to come. It partially happens again in a season three episode, when Sawyer hands the letter to Anthony Cooper, the person it's intended for, ordering him to read it. But this time the letter isn't read in its entirety, so presumably, the audience is expected to know what it contains. (Also, in the second setting, the reading-out-loud is a bit more natural.)
- Veronica Mars: In the second episode, Veronica discovers that the student who hired her double crossed her by making her look for his deceased dad, who he knew was dead. She confronts him with a copy of his school records which she demands he read aloud.
- Played with in Nunsense: During the skit where three nuns try and sell their cookbook, they read it aloud for the audience's benefit as there is no fourth wall, and they know that the audience is there. However, one of the nuns, Sister Amnesia, is a little on the slow side and has to be prodded into reading her recipe out loud.
Edit: Reduced size of spoiler on the count of monte cristo wick.
And also, what type of playing with is happening in the nunsense example?
edited 5th Jul '16 6:55:29 AM by war877
The Nunsense isn't a Playing With type. It's just occurring in a media type with an acknowledged audience.
edited 5th Jul '16 10:38:20 AM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
^^ Aye, it's just a straight example. Fixed that.
Also dewicked the trope and added it to the cutlist.
edited 7th Jul '16 4:39:29 AM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
The article has been cut, so hollering for a lock.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Keep Reading is describing the same trope as Sounding It Out: A character reads out loud from a text that the audience can't see to give them that information as well, which often ends up sounding unnatural as a result. It's sort of a sister trope of As You Know.
Judging by the history and discussion pages both tropes were launched before YKTTW became mandatory, though Keep Reading appears to be the younger of the two, as it only has 12 wicks and 5 inbound links. Sounding It Out has 35 wicks and 26 inbound links. This is also reflected by the fact that Keep Reading mentions Sounding It Out as a "related" trope, while the same isn't true for Sounding It Out.
So I guess my proposed solution is pretty obvious: Cut Keep Reading, and move any original examples to Sounding It Out, which is both a healthier trope and has a clearer name.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"