Duplicate Trope: Ultimate Universe

As it has been stated on its page Ultimate Universe the trope is basically "an Adaption Distillation but in the same medium" aside from that bit of obvious redundancy the trope as we use it is basically "Modernized Reboot" which all reboots are by definition. It really seems like a trope we dont need given its space is already covered by others. Especially given metaseries like Gundam, Scooby Doo and Pre Cure that basically "Ultimize" periodically.

edited 5th Apr '16 11:24:11 AM by NotGrantMorrison

Second the motion to merge. This is a distinction without a difference for the purpose of using a trope namer.

Umm I think there is an important distinction between ultimate universes and such since they are remakes that run in the same medium and, most of the time with the marvel ones, run side by side with their regular universe counterparts.

But there is so much on the page that are not any kind of Adaptation Distillation of anything, most of them are sequel series set in another universe or time period with a different cast but share the same themes. These strike me as something completely different and should be a trope in of themselves.

edited 6th Apr '16 9:20:33 AM by Memers

Yeah, an adaptation in the same medium really does strike me as distinct from an adaptation to another one.

Sounds like a cleanup and rename to something like Same Medium Adaptation is in order, then. Trope Namer Syndrome is bad here; if I didn't know what the Ultimate Universe was, I'd assume it was something like "Several Alternate Realities collapse into one."

Continuity Reboot Alternate Continuity Ultimate Universe

What's the difference?

second motion to merge.

The only way you could really make Ultimate distinct is not "reboot in the same medium" but "reboot in the same medium running concurrently with the original"

So like, something like Sonic Boom is an Ultimate Universe to regular Sonic for instance because they're both videogames, both contemporary, but one only takes certain elements from the other.

Merge them.

Also VideoGame.Alternate Reality is a work page, the trope is Alternate Universe. I made that mistake on my Music.Gloryhammer page (thanks to everyone else who contributed - not that I expect them to see this). The main Alternate Reality page is a disambiguation because of this.

edited 30th Apr '16 9:06:25 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

Agree to merge, but I think Continuity Reboot is the more obvious candidate to redirect this to than Adaptation Distillation.

EDIT: The TRS icon wasn't appearing on the page-fixed that.

edited 18th May '16 8:47:19 AM by Morgenthaler

Yeah, the existence of Continuity Reboot takes care of my issue that "an adaptation in the same medium is still notable."

I'm down for a merge.

we have come to terms

Does it still count as a Continuity Reboot if the original continuity hasn't actually ended yet, though?

That might be a good YKTTW, a concurring alternate universe adaptation in the same media is a thing. I can actually think of at least 1 with concurring runs with the main series that are canon and are not actually a spinoff too which could also be that.

This trope isn't restricted to concurrent works though. This is just reboot or alternate universe in the same medium as the original.

Wouldn't that be Alternate Continuity?

Alternate continuity is just any separate thing that is non-canon with some other version of the same thing, it could be in some other medium or made 2000 years later.

We are talking about 2 versions of a work running side by side in the exact same medium at the exact same time.

Like say way back when I read comics there would be The Amazing Spider Man, Ultimate Spider Man, and SpiderMan 2099 on the shelves every month.

And on the manga side of things To Love RU Darkness and To Love RU Darkness Bangaihen run concurrently each month in different a different magazine, same cast same canon but different stories different magazine.

edited 19th May '16 11:40:57 AM by Memers

That it would be. Looks like we have a heathy page for it.

That's not what Alternate Continuity is if you read the definition. It specifically mentions multiple versions running at the same time. Now, if you want to split that page, that needs its own TRS thread.

edited 19th May '16 11:43:13 AM by shimaspawn

Potentially the same time different medium or different time different medium.

Quote Alternate Continuity

My idea was more merge the two and just create the big unique standalone trope aspect of this. 'Concurrent works in the same medium same characters', excluding Spinoffs which are something different and usually different cast.

edited 19th May '16 12:02:36 PM by Memers

I'm good with that idea, though the new trope should go through YKTTW.

So are we megring and letting the other trope get TLP'd? The merge shouldn't take long and then we can close this.

edited 29th Jun '16 10:18:13 PM by Karxrida

Also, the sequel series that don't share a lot of the same cast need their own trope.

I think we have a general agreement to merge. None of the stuff happing (or not happening) on TLP seems directly relevant.

If we're merging it, what are we merging it with?

I don't agree with just merging with Alternate Continuity, the unique aspect of the trope of soncurrent works in same medium but with different continuities and different stories is still unique and should remain separate.

edited 6th Jan '17 3:03:20 PM by Memers

Tell me your reason for "unique" because I'm not seeing it. Nothing says Alternate Continuity should be done while the other continuity has been stopped being written.