Needs Help: Appeal To Flattery

The formatting for this page is a mess, and I'm not sure it went through YKTTW. May need a little spruce-up.

That's because this page was created during a shoddy split years ago.

What, specifically, is the problem here?

Weird formatting, rambling description, only one example, little connection with the rest of the wiki. Basically, it's a mess in all regards.

That seems to be the case with almost all of the tropes listed on Logical Fallacies. I wouldn't be opposed to a full-scale cleanup, but singling out this one strikes me as odd.

I just stumbled across it on a trope search and thought 'holy crap that's bad'. I wasn't aware it was part of a broader pattern.

As Septimus noted, this page is the end result of a ham-handed and unilateral decision by one troper to split the old Logical Fallacies page, C&Ping each section of the original page into a "trope" page, but not doing any rewriting to actually make them into tropes, nor trying to find valid examples.

I'm not sure how to fix it.

edited 17th Dec '16 9:03:17 AM by Madrugada

Cut it and put it through YKTTW to see if there's something worth salvaging?

I think I'd prefer to see most of them re-consolidated and moved to a UsefulNotes/LogicalFallacies page. There are a few that are regularly enough used that they're tropes, but in a number of those cases, we have a trope page (sometimes under a different name) for it.

For instance the actual Logical Fallacy known as "Non Sequitur" is not the trope named the same thing; it's essentially the trope Insane Troll Logic; "Appeal To Technology" has a substantial, almost complete, overlap with Too Incompetent to Operate a Blanket; the fallacy "Appeal To Nature" is the trope All-Natural Snake Oil. Circular Reasoning is the logical fallacy. Catch-22 Dilemma is the plot trope that springs from it.

edited 17th Dec '16 9:41:51 AM by Madrugada

Reorganizing the logical fallacies might be good for a short-term project. Otherwise, I agree that there's no particular reason to single this page out from all the others with similar problems when they're all part of a set.

I love Madrugada's ideas of how to tackle the whole thing, but again, seems better suited for the project forum.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100704174223/https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailLogicForever is the last revision (technically it's http://web.archive.org/web/20100724043026/https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailLogicForever but that is less readable) before the split. http://web.archive.org/web/20100815040133/https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailLogicForever is already split.

Yes. If you look at the last cached version before the split, you can see that he simply took each section and made a new "trope" page out of it.

I have no objection to moving this to projects and trying to beat the whole mess back into some sort of coherent order.

That works for me.

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