Funny but not helpful
Considering Teneniel gave up on Luke and considering the book was about the more equal partnership (give or take MIND CONTROL GUNS geez han what the hell) between Han and Leia I don't think that was the intended take away.
The Hapans are portrayed as incredibly corrupt and craven (and the ones who invented A MIND CONTROL GUN) and the Dathomirians as primitive savages.
Actually, seems kind of offensive from the other end.
"See kids, this is what you get when you have a matriarchal society. Witches dominating men and riding GIANT SPACE LIZARDS monster things."
Any responses of 'sign me the fuck up' are, of course, not the author's intent.
edited 4th Feb '16 5:22:26 PM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
RE: Light and Dark Sides of the Force: This relates to what I was talking about in the General thread. Maybe whoever is to bring balance in the Force is to touch either side depending on the person.
Funny but not helpful
"Bring balance to the Force, Anakin. Nerf Force Lightning with a longer cooldown and make it so all the crystals aren't in the Light Side territory."
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Yeah, the old EU had a ton of cool little factions and events in it, like the Yinchorri, the Mandalorians, the Hapans, a bunch of those other Force-user factions, the early early "On Tython because of Tho-Yor" Jedi, all of the wars with the Sith, Ruusan...
Would that it were so simple.
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Okay, well, fair enough. In all the rest of the EU, though, all the characters have an extremely uncritical attitude towards Hapes and their regressive society. People talk about Mandalore being a Mary Suetopia; Hapes was the one no one really noticed.
edited 4th Feb '16 6:06:02 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Absolutely no relation to NLK
I seem to recall "Sith Magic" being a thing in the old EU.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Sith Alchemy? Yeah. That sure was something.
edited 4th Feb '16 6:17:33 PM by higherbrainpattern
Yeah, that could do all sorts of cool things.
I loved one book that had Palpatine describing monsters and weapons he had made over the years and then he goes "But my best creation wasn't made with Sith alchemy and the Force but with a silver tongue, a sharp mind and the knowledge in how to use them. Lord Vader is my most prized creation." or something like that.
Palpatine was great in all those "This is a in-universe holocron" books. There was one where he was the latest user of a major Sith holocron that dated back to Revan's time and he just goes all in on the "The only one important is the one with the power and knowledge. Stop caring about the order and care about yourself".
edited 4th Feb '16 7:39:19 PM by LordofLore
Would that it were so simple.
One of the better parts of Darksaber was that scene where Bevel Lemelisk remembers how, every time he failed to improve on the Death Star or some other superweapon, Palpatine would have him devoured by flesh eating insects before essence-transferring him into a new body, and then forcing him to look at his previous, mangled body. And then when the New Republic sentences him to death, he's basically like, "Hey, make sure you do it for real, this time." The nonchalance of the narration made it go from Body Horror to Black Comedy.
edited 4th Feb '16 7:33:11 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Absolutely no relation to NLK
I'm pretty eh on Sidious. From what I gather practically all of the EU makes him out to be a ludicrously powerful nigh-infallible mastermind who could outmuscle and outsmart everyone. In the movies he was just a creepy old geezer who manipulated Vader.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
The Unknown
In the movies he also manipulated everyone into making him Emperor, so him being a chessmaster isn't unfounded.
edited 4th Feb '16 8:29:21 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Palpatine has the same psychological problem as Scar from the Lion King and Adolf Hitler all had.
Absolutely unbeatable when scheming to get power.
Handling that power, on the other hand...
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Destroyer of Worlds
Palpatine did hang on for 20 years.
The only reason he lost was because of Luke.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
There were a few times when things genuinely seemed to catch him off guard. For instance, he seemed truly surprised when Padme decided to go back and retake Naboo instead of sitting by while he stalls the Senate. Only a minor setback in a major operation though.
He's pretty good at changing his plans on a moments notice. IIRC the original plan was for the Trade Federation to kill Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon on the ship and keep Amidala prisoner until Palpatine could be elected and heroically retake the planet with the Jedi as support.
You know why I like Sidious so much? While most of the Dark Side users we see in canon are either "I'M IN SO MUCH PAAAAAAAAAAAIN" or "I do this for the greater good", Palps seems to be the only one genuinely enjoy being himself. Dude is having a grand ol' time being evil, and I resect that.
His biggest problem, as Luke pointed out, was his extreme arrogance and overconfidence. Which is what ultimately did him in in the end.
well, he have every reason, imagine lying day after day about who you are while stuck there with the jedi and all those filthy aliens that you dont like a single bit and them having to take your own lighting to the face thanks to space samuel L jackson....yeah, I would enjoy myself afterward if I was him.
Overlording the Underworld
He didn't hate "filthy aliens" any more than he hated humans. All of that was the Legendsverse allowing real world issues to influence the GFFA.
Palpatine hates everyone equally.
Of course he also knows how to play different species against each other and is pro slavery to get results so...
Overlording the Underworld
He's pro "Everyone is Beneath My Unlimited Powah!"
"Fuck you I can shoot lightnings out of my hand."
IIRC in Legends at least he realized that a lot of rich douchebag humans who would make good allies hated aliens and used that to his advantage.
The Hapes Consortium got really annoying when it started featuring in those multi-book arcs almost as much as Mandalore, had an unbeatable space navy despite being a backwater with no trade or recent military experience (picture 1860s Japan fucking up Commodore Perry's task force, for instance), and just showing up so often. I get that it was kind of necessary to show Hapes because Tenel Ka was Jacen's very own Padme, but boy was it annoying.
Like, I'm reluctant to criticize Legends too much these days, because it's the whipping boy of New Canon true believers, but Hapes was one of those elements I can never bring myself to defend.
Also, the oppressive matriarchy came off as fetishistic, seeing as how everyone on Hapes was allegedly beautiful. Like, Teneniel Djo comes off as a dominatrix with her obsession with breaking Luke into her concubine, and Isolder's unrelenting quest to become Leia's husband, and in Hapan culture, her submissive, makes the entire concept seem like Wolverton, throughout writing this, had one hand on the keyboard and one hand on his — well...
edited 4th Feb '16 5:11:32 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."