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Making Rey a Kenobi requires so many leaps in logic and/or asspulls that the Opposite-Sex Clone of Palpatine idea is more probable.
Also, again, she heard Yoda's voice, too. I think Sheev is also in that vision.
edited 21st Nov '17 2:31:01 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
That wouldn’t really work. There were barely any female characters introduced in the Civil War era at all that would be a big shock to the audience if they turned up as as Luke’s wife.
The best bet for that would be Mara Jade, and that would be a twist that would rely on an extremely inclusive reference, which would fly over the heads of most of he audience.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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Mara Jade would also probably be Killed Offscreen considering Luke is alone on his little island.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Was Luke even married?
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I think if they go the Mara Jade route, she should definately still be alive.
Here's my personal theory:
Rey is Luke's daughter, but Luke doesn't know he has a daughter. He had a brief relationship (could be with Mara Jade, but doesn't have to be) a couple decades ago, and they parted ways. Rey's mother realizes she's pregnant shorts afterwards, and never tells Luke about it, likely for reasons that are connected for why they parted ways in the first place.
Because Luke isn't a creepy stalker, he doesn't even try to keep tabs on his ex, even through the Force. Han Solo might of come across rumors that Luke's ex had a daughter almost immediately after she parted ways with Luke (hence his sort of vague recognition of Rey), but he never got the opportunity to pass this information to Luke.
Rey's mother ultimately crosses paths with agents of the First Order and has to go on the run. She hides Rey on Jakku, intending to return there after she finds Luke. However she's captured by the First Order before then and has been their prisoner ever since. She never gives up Rey's location, though by the time of the ST through other methods they have narrowed it down to a mere handful of planets, Jakku being one of them (which is why Kylo Ren freaks out when he hears "a girl" accompanied Finn and BB-8).
We find out about this in Episode 8 because Luke slowly pieces it together as he trains Rey.
Yeah, Kylo definitely seemed to take some significance in the fact that "a girl from Jakku" had the MacGuffin, you're right.
I've mentioned this before, but that's not what happens in that scene.
Ren doesn't lose his shit because he hears about a girl. He has already lost his shit (tearing apart a console with his lightsaber) and then Mitaka has more bad news to give him, but can't even identify the girl in question.
So Ren was already quite mad (if any one thing in particular, its the mention of Finn that sets him off) and is then just pissed at the LT for having exactly no useful information about who helped Finn and the droid other than their gender.
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How is explaining Mara Jade less complicated and with less leaps of logic than Obi Wan got frisky and had children who got killed? And Maz told Rey whoever left her on Jakku was never coming back, but her belonging was ahead. She jumps to assume it's Luke, but Maz doesn't say anything, either in confirmation or denial of that assumption. Rey grew up on a desert planet in isolation. Luke's upbringing on a desert planet was never lonely. He had a a family, a best friend, and a godfather watching him from afar. She's first introduced like Obi Wan, speaking a foreign language scare off scavvers. Yes, the lightsaber is Anakin's, but it's a well established thing that Anakin was constantly losing it and it was returned to him by Obi Wan. It was Obi Wan who ended up holding on to it the longest as he waited to give it to Luke when he came of age. Isn't there a symmetry to Kenobi's descendant giving Luke the saber again? Also, it just makes sense to parallel Kylo Ren, basically another attempt at Anakin, an impulsive Skywalker with the calm, collected Kenobi. She can't be a rando, that's not narratively satisfying, but I'm not sure it would be satisfying if it was revealed she was Luke's daughter either.
edited 21st Nov '17 4:11:56 PM by iamthecircle
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Mara Jade requires only one character: Herself. Obi-Wan is long dead before there was any conceivable time for him to be Rey's father. Thus, he would have to be a grandfather at best. This means you have introduce Obi-Wan's lover, then Obi-Wan's offspring, then Obi-Wan's offspring's spouse into the story to explain Rey. And for what? Just to shoehorn in a poetry of a Kenobi giving a lightsaber to Skywalker?
Daisy Ridley admits she would choose Skywalker to be Rey's true lineage over Kenobi because she doesn't know Obi-Wan that much.
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- It is totally out of character for Obi Wan to get frisky like that. He had exactly one love that he'd give up the Order for, but she died. Even with the Order's collapse, he doesn't come across as the type to abandon a celibacy vow.
- The only time he could plausibly get frisky was when he was trying to lay low and isolating himself on top of that. Risking the chance of fathering a child is beyond stupid, let alone for a Jedi Master.
Also, . At this point you need to explain 3 generations of genealogy.
edited 21st Nov '17 4:26:58 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Generally, the Obi-Wan theory runs on the idea that he had a kid with Satine during the time where they were canonically together, but because they split for duty reasons she never told him.
Amusingly, that would also make Rey a Mandalorian. If you think the fanbase is rabid about her now...
Anywho, I’d agree that trying to force in an explanation for Mara is significantly more needlessly complicated than explaining that, but both rely on the viewers having knowledge of tie-in stuff that most of them won’t.
edited 21st Nov '17 5:07:38 PM by KnownUnknown
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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I think the Sequel Trilogy shot themselves in the foot so that the best choice has become to leave Rey's parentage ambiguous but pointing to her being Luke's daughter and to have Luke ultimately officially adopt her.
'Cause any reveal now about being a Skywalker has been made sterile and lame and Rey being a rando is nonsensical and Rey.
You aren't naturally born with the same potential as Anakin's grandson without being some type of special.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
I disagree. Audiences want a direct answer about Rey's parentage, not an ambiguous one. Otherwise, it'll be see as Writer Cop Out.
edited 21st Nov '17 7:07:22 PM by Shadao
If the story’s written well enough, I assure you the audience will get over it - or even turn out to love the alternative, depending.
The vast majority of the audience enjoys theorizing and wondering but will ultimately enjoy what they do or don’t get and remain engaged in the twists that the plot might or might not take - even if something happens that isn’t what they wan, they’ll ultimately accept what they get unless it’s awful. The portion of fans whose entire investment hinges on getting the specific answer they want to that one question is small in comparison to the audience as a whole - vocal, yes, but small.
edited 21st Nov '17 7:21:16 PM by KnownUnknown
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
I can see the arguments for both sides, I really can. If Rey is a Skywalker, then only one specific family can save The Galaxy. If Rey isn't a Skywalker, then the legacy of the Chosen One ends with a thud.
I honestly don't understand why the latter would be a problem.
it's a living
Yeah, I preferred the idea of an Only Hope to a Chosen One anyway.
It's the equivelent of killing off the T-rex and try to make people accept a Suspiciously Similar Substitute Spinosaurus. Or killing off Optimus Prime and make people accept Rodimus Prime.
The Skywalkers are people's childhood heroes. To end their legacy with a lunatic trying to keep Vader's legacy alive and then make people accept a random (but Skywalker-esque) hero who similar power levels is almost a spit in the face.
edited 22nd Nov '17 12:42:54 AM by Shadao
The Suspiciously Similar Substitute stuff is not really what I meant. I was referring to the legacy of The Chosen One. Why is that important?
It's more of audience thing given that they are all fictional characters. Do you want the Skywalkers to be remembered saviors of the galaxy or a cursed lineage that always bring darkness and chaos?
I don't care given that I don't have any relationship to them since they are all fictional characters? Like, this is the part I don't understand.
Ceterum censeo Morbillivirum esse eradicandum.
Nah, Kylo will have kids in exile. I mean, why not keep the daddy issues going?
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And that's why I compared this potential problem to the death of Optimus Prime and the T. rex losing to Spinosaurus. People do get attached to these fictional characters and will be pissed off if they are treated like garbage. This is fandom, after all. Star Wars Fandom to be precise.
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Because it's invalidating their story with Kylo Ren if he's the end to their legacy.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
@Rey's parents: If they want to have a genuine twist while still making her a Skywalker they could always have the identity of her mother be a surprise. It's a really out there theory but I'm still partial to the idea that her mother is a Kenobi. It would explain why she also heard Obi-Wan's voice.