Justice League vs. Teen Titans

Who Superman fights in this film:

1. Lex Luthor
2. Weather Wizard (Possessed)
3. Wonder Woman and Batman with Kryptonite
4. Damien and the Titans, Together with Kryptonite
5. Wonder Woman (Possessed)
6. Flash (Possessed)
7. Trigon

He never goes one on one with any titan at all.

edited 7th Apr '16 3:35:52 PM by SilentlyHonest

So finally watched this.It was enjoyable enough.I like Starfire in the leadership role.The fights were decent.Blue Bettle was a good replacement for Cyborg.

However I also think they introduced Trigon to early.I get why they did it and it was a interesting idea by itself but since we dont really get enough time to know this shows version of the Titans the story doesn't have the weight that I feel it should have (IMO).

Yeah. Not enough time to establish Trigon was the chief issue here.

Definitely holding out hope for The Judas Contract to turn out better.

Wait, they're doing Judas Contract after all? I thought it had been cancelled long ago.

Terra shows up in the after credits scene That says that they aleast want to do Judas Contract sometime in the future.

edited 7th Apr '16 6:56:18 PM by DeanCole

I will give this movie credit, they went full on with Ravens actual backstory, how she was conceived and did not pull punches. I actually don't know much about raven outside of what I learned about her in Teen Titans the animated series, the new 52 and what little I've read of her in the old DC universe, so I didn't actually know she was conceived from a human mother and Trigon himself, I assumed she was just a part of Trigon given life or given some kind of birth through magic or some shit.

Did they imply that Trigon raped Raven's mother too? I recall that being part of Raven's original backstory.

They didn't imply anything, they showed it. They make what happened very, very clear.

edited 8th Apr '16 3:54:37 AM by SilentlyHonest

It's a little hard to tell. Raven's story seems to suggest her mother knew what she was doing but then in the flashbacks it shows her shocked when Trigon assumes demon form.

But that's not really ambigious, He slept with someone under false pretenses, she clearly wasn't pleased when Trigon assumed his true form, and if Trigon wanted to have sex with you, there was no way you're going to fight him off, especially if you're already in the nude in the bedroom. She was raped. There's no ambiguity there.

Yeah Raven's origin here is exactly like her comic book counterpart's. Concieved through rape by a demon, place into seclusion in Azarah where she is train to suppress her emotion due to the danger of her releasing her powers, seeking the Justice League aid to fight Trigon only to be rejected due to Zatanna sensing her demonic so she instead just revive the Titans team instead (okay that wasn't in the movie, but hey at least the JLA involvement in this movie is done better than the comics).

Point is the movie did a good job in depiction of the characters. I am alright with Trigon appearing early seeing how it is no different from his introduction in the comics.

Looking forward to their take on Judas Contract; but alas, I am also not looking forward to it seeing how it would use their version of Deathstroke. Son of Batman is basically proof as to why the character is better off as a supporting villain with humanizing characteristic then a straight up Big Bad with no redeeming qualities. Hopefully if that movie comes out they explain away that characterization and make him be a hired mercenary working for H.I.V.E. (they got the looks and fighting down, might as well give him his character and story) . . . or just make it an Arrow crossover given how much I like how they portrayed Teen Titan villains in that show.

While I agree that Deathstroke is better being a Noble Demon than a Big Bad, and while his job description does involve him working for other powers when it comes to the titans (with whom it's explicitly personal and... complicated) I also think he's better independent or semi-independent than as a Dragon. Especially when it comes to something like H.I.V.E., which is basically DC's answer to HYDRA - being a flunky for a nebulous evil world domination organization would present his character in ways that wouldn't let him stretch out as much.

edited 8th Apr '16 10:23:53 AM by KnownUnknown

Wait are you guys complaining as to how Slade was handled in Teen Titans or Son of Batman?

Son of Batman is the one I am complaining about specifically. Though I was never a fan of him in the original Teen Titans cartoon either as he comes off just as generic (seriously without the awesome performance of Ron Perlman, he is pretty much a bland villain with aimless goals that are bound to fail).

True. I merely used the Dragon trope to describe him as a guy who works for the main Big Bad. Maybe I should of just said merchanary instead since that sums him up in a nutshell. Also, HIVE is more like AIM IMO. For Hydra that would be Kobra (funny enough both groups were created by Jack Kirby).

2003 Deathstroke is pretty bland, yeah, at least as written. He's saved somewhat by the fact that his voice actor is phenomenal and gave him a truly great performance, but he's not a very good villain (it hurts that his main seasons were the first two, where the show was still trying to Grow The Beard). His best plots were ones where he wasn't actually he main threat.

But I wasn't talking about any specific appearances before, just what I thought future appearances should incorporate.

edited 8th Apr '16 6:37:36 PM by KnownUnknown

The comic book version is a little more graphic.

edited 9th Apr '16 9:42:42 AM by Soble

Also, while I didn't think the film was all that special, I did like Raven and Robin.

It's fun watching Damian deal with someone equally antisocial.

edited 9th Apr '16 9:50:23 AM by Soble

It's not everyday you get to see a ship that sails itself (unless its MilesXKamala: Marvel, make that shit happen).

edited 9th Apr '16 9:07:29 PM by BigK1337

Well, I rather liked this. It was fun surprisingly enough.

Even Damien wasn't as bad as usual, at least to me.

And he's apparently the undisputed king of Dance Dance Revolution.

He learned from the best.

But I thought he learned to do it on the fly due to his ninja training.

But I guess cause Batman's my dad makes more sense.

Raven's thing could be construed as her mostly restraining herself for fear of letting out the evil within. Once Trigon's on earth, all the inner evil has become external so she can bring all of her power and feelings to bear.

Makes sense to me.

Double post:

Have we ever gotten a proper statement on Starfire's strength level? I know she's not in Diana's league (though they did fight once in the comics, but the latter might have been holding back) or even Donna's level, but we've never been given a real statement of how much physical strength she's packing.

I know there was one comic where Donna needed Mon'el's help to hold down a berserking Starfire, but with how many cooks there have been in the broth that is comics, I can't trust how accurate that is.

Depends on what's necessary for the plot.