Legends of Tomorrow, the Flash/Arrow spin-off

they forgot their lesson of "hey we never really trusted mick and that's why he turned on us" Also "we blamed him for talking to what stein told him was a hallucination"

Well, that the end of Amaya's family line I guess.

And now, it's time...to mess with Time.

I mean, look at when Barry did it! I'm sure nothing will go wrong.

the legends arent quite as dumb as barry. close, but not quite

I've this before so I hope no one minds if I repeat myself. The Legends have more leeway than Barry, so it doesn't really come down to intelligence.

Speaking of Barry, I'm surprised there wasn't more to Flash's fate beyond just being another mask on Darhk's wall. I wasn't expecting him to make an appearance or anything, but like a mention of him being stuck in some kind of horrific, unending torture and Eobard getting a chuckle out of it.

Cause, I mean, it's Eobard.

edited 29th Mar '17 3:13:30 AM by KnownUnknown

I got the impression the legion had Sara and Amaya murder the lot of that collection. .. Which, why was that not a montage? Mass cameos too expensive?

Thinking about it, other than the crossover has Barry ever shown up?

It does raise the question of where the speed force god is during this new reality?

Nope. Oliver has appeared in more episodes of Legends than Barry has:

• The Series premiere;

• Future Star City;

• The second season premiere;

• The last part of the Crossover.

That's four appearances to Barry's one appearance in the crossover. I can't help but wonder if it's deliberate really.

I'm kinda bummed most of them got their memories back so quickly. I was looking forward to spending more time with their Doomworld selves.

And, yeah, I was totally expecting Barry to essentially be Biff from the end of Back To The Future, a sniveling servant constantly going, "Yes, Mr. Thawne. You're so right, Mr. Thawne. I'm sorry I wasn't fast enough, Mr. Thawne."

It weird when you remember Thawne had no problem dishing out some Cruel Mercy to the Legends and the other Legion members.

Besides the Legends getting screwed over did they explain what was evil about the Legion's future?

trump was still president.

Right.

Thawne was bright enough to want to destroy the spear to prevent the heroes from putting history back to the way it was, so it's not implausible that he was also smart enough to refrain from keeping an enemy speedster alive just to humiliate him.

Now there's a good question. For the Legends and the cast of Flash and Arrow this may be a Bad Future, but unlimited energy via cold fusion and no global warming mean that Thawne may have saved millions - at minimum - relative to the dozens the Legion killed. Taking into account the prevention of food shortages from desertification, preventing entire countries sinking into the sea, not to mention the improvements in air quality in the developing world from no longer needing to use fossil fuels... Serious case of Protagonist-Centred Morality when you think about it for a bit.

Plus, in Thawne's future, coral reefs continue to exist.

edited 29th Mar '17 6:03:56 PM by Galadriel

The Legion alter reality so the Legends didn't have their powers and Thawne's petty enough to bully a powerless Barry.

Now who are the villains, Legends?! Now who are the villains?!

edited 29th Mar '17 6:51:07 PM by Cross

I want the legion of doom to be around in some form next season. Even if its a different roster a bunch of cw villains working together to best those tine trsvelling idiots works well

edited 29th Mar '17 10:05:12 PM by alliterator

Yeah, Darkh's just a dick. He's not even ambitious.

I'm not saying the Legion are non-evil. They're obviously and blatantly evil. Any good Thawne's done is out of the desire to be famed and respected, not out of any concern for people.

Nonetheless, the world as a whole may be better off in the new reality than in the old one. And the Legends have a better shot at defeating the Legion in the spear-revised reality than they have at ending global warming and inventing cold fusion in the "normal" reality. So sticking with the new reality would benefit more people than going back to the old one.

I suppose the only problem with beating the Legion in the new reality is that they don't have powers. Dwarf star alloy isn't available to get Ray his suit, he can't give Nate his steel powers again, Amaya's necklace has probably been wiped from existence, and they don't have a particle accelerator to make Jax and Stein Firestorm again. It's possible that they could take out the Legion in this state, but it's not likely. Not to mention that at any moment Thawne could say "I'm bored, I'm gonna start a war and knock the world back to the Stone Age." Because you know he didn't give everyone his best inventions.

He could, maybe, but there's no indication he has any desire to. He enjoys being wealthy, famed, and respected; he likes golfing with the President. It's Darkh and Merlin and Cold who appear to be succumbing to Victory Is Boring.

And on that note, there are plenty of opportunities to play the Legion off against each other; we saw in this episode that they're already fracturing. Taking down Thawne only requires breaking the glass holding the Dark Flash (or whatever it is); if that's not possible, Darkh plus Merlyn plus the Legends still have a shot. And if they can get rid of Thawne, Darkh and Merlyn aren't such a big threat - Oliver beat them both, and he doesn't have powers and is frequently a moron.

edited 30th Mar '17 2:00:44 PM by Galadriel

Uhm.. If the legends want to stop global warming, that's actually kind of trivial in any timeline. All they have to do is release a couple of uptime technologies and that problem ceases to exist.

They can't do that, it would cause a time aberration. The thing about the Spear of Destiny is, it doesn't change time, it changes reality, so there aren't any time aberrations.

edited 30th Mar '17 10:17:51 PM by alliterator

The only thing Thawne loves as much as hurting Barry Allen is being in a time period in which he's comfortable. He wouldn't screw over this technological utopia he's created unless he had a way to ditch everyone and get to an even better reality.

Thawne's been oddly affable in this season just in general. He's less bloodthirsty and more pragmatic than his allies (and considering his entrance into the series was via murder, that's saying something), he rarely lies, and while everyone who knows him (including us) believes he'll kill everyone once he has what he wants, despite several opportunities to do just that he hasn't.

Darhk, Snart and Merlyn betray him because they think he plans to erase them from existence and then destroy the Spear, and what does he do? He destroys the Spear without using it to hurt anybody, despite having every reason to do so, and then just lets them all go. It's even implied that the Legion will all keep the same business relationship as before, even though they're all clearly liabilities to him at this point.