Netflix Daredevil

He also did Hulk and Ghost Rider minis. I didn't care too much for the former, but the latter were alright.

There's the Martha Washington comics... though those are from over two decades ago, so pre-insanity, obviously.

He did say a few months ago that he's thought about doing some kind of inverted TDKR where Superman was the hero, and Batman the antagonist, though.

Yeah, though you brought up The Slavers, which did have an entirely normal gay police officer as a supporting character (in a subplot that was admittedly easy to gloss over because, hey, it's a pissed off Punisher versus one of the worst kinds of criminals).

Finished the season finale of season 2. It was alright, my only gripe was there was too little of the Punisher in it.

Still, though... goddamn the once scene that hit me the hardest was when Frank told Matt about when he got back. It's probably the former military in me, but that scene had me rooting for Frank, come hell or high water.

edited 16th Apr '16 4:46:50 PM by MarkVonLewis

A Punisher series is happening.

You better not delay JJ S2 to leave room for Castle, Netflix. I am warning you.

I'm curious. Bernthal definitely earned the right to get his own show after his performance, now I wonder how they will have his story be a compelling one.

I mean.. I get why they want one, but I would not want to have to write it.

Hell yeah! Honestly The Punisher was 95% of why I watched season of Daredevil.

As much as I agree with that and can firmly say that the Punisher was easily my favorite part of the season... I worry about him carrying his own show. I think he works best as a B-Plot or supporting character.

He's a character who almost literally exists to be a foil.

As far as I'm concerned, the Punisher character is capable of leading his own show. If it wasn't possible in the slightest, he wouldn't have any successful solo comic runs. The real question to me, is if this specific director is capable of making another successful Netflix show.

edited 29th Apr '16 2:50:16 PM by VeryMelon

He's had succeful comic runs but the catch is, what works for a comic does not necessairily work for a series in his case. Comics!Castle's real popularity is in the MAX runs. In the MAX runs it's more or less a grim, gritty display of Black Comedy and gore. The real problem is Castle has A) Nearly no supporting cast, so the comics are mostly carried by him monologuing to the audience throughout the entire issue, which would likely be extremely trite in a series and B) Strangely very few issues with the fact he's mowing down criminals in the streets C) A pretty weak rogues gallery (both because he kills them all very quickly and because Ennis's top flaw as a writer is that he often can't write villains that don't rely entirely on shock value).

I think issues B and C Netflix can get around. Issue A is the crux of the problem.

Closest things he's had to an archenemy is Jigsaw, and no writer, to this day (and to the best of my knowledge) has managed to make Jigsaw into anything more than "discount mob boss Joker"

edited 30th Apr '16 5:37:27 AM by Gaon

I'm on board with a Punisher tv series, but giving him any kind of arc is tricky. It's difficult for him to have a long term villain, and his supporting cast is likely going to be smaller than most characters, and for most of them he probably wouldn't be interacting with them constantly. We'll see what they come up with.

I appreciate your counter argument, because it comes from a place of "how best to adapt this character for his upcoming series" and not "is this character worth his own show?". Which I know sounds super-fanboyish but I can't help but see the concerns about a Punisher series as the later instead of the former.

edited 30th Apr '16 10:36:18 AM by VeryMelon

MAX is the most popular interpretation, yes, but it's not like they can't use anything that came before or after it; he's had numerous recurring supporters (even under Ennis) and rogues over the past thirty years, but they tend to be dropped (provided they do survive) once their storyline(s) conclusively wrap-up, or when one writer's reign ends and another's begins, which is kind of the blessing and the curse of a protagonist who is practically tailor made for Walking the Earth and living a largely "_____ of the Week"-based lifestyle with the occasional long-form arc. And, y'know, its an adaptation, and not even of something that needs to be 1:1

Plus, its been made fairly clear that borrowing and OCs aren't out of the question, something most obvious in Jessica Jones (a character which one could posit similar criticisms against) which even went as far as taking a Punisher character.

edited 30th Apr '16 2:09:42 PM by CL

So what happened to Frank's dog?

Dunno.

Maybe it'll lead to an adaptation of that two-part comic story where he had to save it from a fighting ring that it was sold to.

Hilariously tsundere-ish throughout that story, coming just short of outright saying, "Stupid dog, it's not like I like you or anything..."

Sooo, is it just me or is Matt/Karren the LEAST popular pairing of the show? Like, I honestly haven't seen anyone who likes them together. Even if they love them individualy, nobody seems to think there's any chemistry between the two. No offense to anyone who feels otherwise, but people seem to ship literally anything else but them. And this isn't like Steve/Sharon, I have seen people love and defend them, I don't think this even qualifies as Broken Base.

...I was really hoping this was a Season 3 announcement...

...I don't care for them. Apparently getting groped and smiled at by a blind man makes a good foundation for a relationship. Afterward, their entire relationship is Matt lying to Karen for... what reason, really? Foggy already knew, the number of people who knew or had something against Matt Murdock personally was already growing. I don't remember if Karen was pro-Vigilante or not, but telling her wouldn't have hurt.

Which is why he did, in the end. He was sort of like "I had no good reason to keep this from her. Now that we're broken up and no longer coworkers I could get away with not telling her, but she deserves an explanation for my previous behavior."

Foggy and Matt is my ship.

Did anybody say season 3 announcement?

Yeah, Matt and Karen had no chemistry. Karen and Foggy had amazing chemistry. Matt and Claire had great chemistry (because, you know, Rosario Dawson). Matt and Elektra had good chemistry. Really, Matt and Karen both had really good chemistry with everyone except each other.

Once again: Matt and Foggy. Season three should do a cold open smash cut to the two of them in bed together.

The whole Matt/Karen thing just feels incredible forced. Along with the hand, the whole "good wholesome girldfriend (Karen) vs bad influence girlfriend (Elektra)" is so far one of the worst aspects of the show. Yeah, I know, it is kind of from the comics, but please, this particular comic is will of nonsense they should better skip.

She was very much pro-vigilante. In fact, season 2 shows her as arguably Frank's biggest defender.

Matt and Karen had more chemistry with basically everyone else than they had with each other. Their relationship really felt forced.

Their relationship was really forced. The only good thing that came of it was Frank Castle's amazing speech about love.