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Folamh3 Folamh3 from Dublin, Ireland Since: Jul, 2010
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#1: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:05:21 PM

Exactly What It Says on the Tin. If someone adds a work to the list of examples on a trope page (or vice versa) without explaining why the work is an example of that trope, the example is automatically commented out.

Not a wiki expert but I'd say you could do it with a regular expression.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#2: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:44:26 PM

The problem is that sometimes ZCE's use Word Cruft to hide the fact that they're ZCE's. That doesn't mean the system wouldn't work, it just would have no way of catching those.

Folamh3 Folamh3 from Dublin, Ireland Since: Jul, 2010
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#3: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:51:55 PM

Naturally, but I think it'd be straightforward enough to at least block out examples like this:

It wouldn't be ideal but it'd be better than what we have now.

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Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
#4: Apr 5th 2015 at 8:27:05 PM

I think rather than comment them out, it would be more useful to do something similar to what we do with YMMVs and Trivias on the Main page. I.e. we mark the bullet points with a special icon and when someone is editing the pages we call them out and ask people to update them.

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#5: Apr 6th 2015 at 8:41:50 AM

It's a great idea, but there's so many different ways that someone could write a ZCE that trying to cover them all seems like too much to try to cover with one check.

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#6: Apr 6th 2015 at 8:54:51 AM

For the TVT 2.0 design, I envision a system whereby someone will click the "add example" button on a work page and enter the name of a trope. There will be a separate input box to enter the text of the trope example. They can't proceed without filling in something. If we want to get really fancy, we could enforce some kind of rule like "must be 20 characters or more".

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#7: Apr 6th 2015 at 8:57:56 AM

Eh, I don't think all tropes need that much text. Some context would be necessary, and I am not certain if there are tropes where 4-5 words would be enough.

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LongLiveHumour Since: Feb, 2010
#8: Apr 6th 2015 at 1:03:19 PM

Yes, but are there any tropes which would work with only the name alone? "* Trope Name" examples are a plague on many works and especially on character pages. I agree with Folamh: a tool that flags wikiword- or pothole-only lines could only be a good thing.

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#9: Apr 6th 2015 at 1:35:21 PM

Such a tool would be pointless in the current wiki implementation due to the difficulty distinguishing between bullets used for indexing and bullets used for examples. Also, there's the issue of the following construction:

  • Trope Name
    • Example
    • Example

edited 6th Apr '15 1:35:45 PM by Fighteer

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