Suggestion: Self Made Orphan

(previous thread... what is the source, Naruto?)

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

This looks like Naruto, yeah. Giving my support.

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It's somewhat of an improvement.

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Let's get it up this time.

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To be honest,i'm fine with the current one.

New theme music also a box

Works for me. Oh, and yes that is Naruto.

edited 28th Mar '15 7:02:34 AM by Ultimaneo

Sorry; classic JAFAAC for me. Who's Naruto and what in that picture is supposed to indicate those are his parents besides the caption saying so?

edited 28th Mar '15 7:18:38 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

That's Itachi.

Someone in the previous thread had suggested including a frame of this family portrait◊. Otherwise, I agree that there's nothing in the picture that suggests it shows a son killing his parents

This is Naruto:

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As you can see, Naruto is not in the proposed image.

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It shows someone killing some people. That's more in the class of almost JAFAAC, but not completely so. Do you want a family diagram to show their relations?

edited 28th Mar '15 9:23:55 AM by AnotherDuck

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The current pic shows no indication of killing or parents. It's JAFAAC. In the suggestion we can't be sure they're related but they look like him. It definitely better. Adding the family portrait works too.

It might work with the family portrait but without it there is nothing saying familial relationship at all, even the hair colors do not match.

edited 28th Mar '15 10:00:29 AM by Memers

Hair and hair colour match, for me. And the caption helps as well.

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^Just a note, but the Japanese aren't precisely known for their wide variety of hair phenotypes.

If the caption didn't say anything about it I would not guess any relations between the people with shadowed faces and the guy whose face is covered. So it strikes me as JAFAAC.

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Nah, they dont match, both the parents have completely different shades of black for hair color, and her's is straight up Blue Is The New Black.

Black is the one color that has to really match in tone on this seeing how the color is just generic for hair.

The Japanese do have a very wide variety of hair in anime. It could have been light blue, green, or pink but it's just different shades of black.

I am not saying it's great, I'm saying it's better than this (current):

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It is missing the info "those are his parents", so that is in the caption.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

"Better than the current image" and "Better than nothing" both lack an explanation of why that is a good image.

All I see is a dude with a sword behind two people. It doesn't show a family relationship. It doesn't even show with certainty that he intends to kill them. I can't even tell from that picture that they aren't all the same age.

I see no connection to the trope without the caption.

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"Classic JAFAAC" and "no connection to the trope" are absurd. I have very little familiarity with the work (I only recognized the headband, for the source guess... it doesn't matter at all who he is), and "a dude with a sword behind two people" is a lot of information. Captions are part of page images; the picture doesn't have to work without one. Filling in information that isn't clear from the image is one of the best uses of a caption, IMO.

(The problem is relying too much or entirely on the caption, relying on it a little is fine. There is only one piece of info in the caption, two if you insist it doesn't look like the guy is about to kill those people, but that seems very Red Paint-ey.)

Is it ideal? No. Is it better than the current image? Yes. Is it better than nothing? Yes.

edited 28th Mar '15 12:24:27 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

The point is I could take any image of a murder and put a caption on it and claim it fits the trope.

to show that the context isn't there here is a pic of Young Thomas deciding he can't live with his father any more◊

I think the proposed image requires the caption too much. My vote:

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Since we've had this discussion before can we just get to a crowner (with the current image included)?

I didn't like the suggestion when we discussed it last time, and I still don't like it now. There's nothing in the image to indicate that the killer is related to the victims (which is, in a way, the inverse of the current image, which shows a child who's only talking about murder). It's not quite JAFAAC, but I still don't like it enough to vote for a swap.

I don't like any of them really, imageless seems better than either. If someone could make the family photo work then maybe.

It's not actually necessary for it to be an example or not. If it illustrates the trope it's good enough for a page image. Now, it's better if it's also an example, but it's not necessary.

And honestly, just because you could fake something doesn't invalidate anything.

Someone with a raised sword behind two not very happy people rather heavily indicate he's about to kill them to me. That they're his parents is the only thing explicitly missing if you fail to see the similarity between them, and mentioning that in the caption isn't a whole lot when you're already on a trope called Self-Made Orphan.

I'll also note I'm not more familiar with the work other than one or two early episodes, which doesn't include what's on the suggestion.

On that note, if that image is so horrible, what kind of image would you prefer?

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Ah, the "Why don't you do better" argument. A staple of logical discussion.

Can *anyone* tell me what makes the suggested picture good?

But if you want a suggestion, how about this?

edited 28th Mar '15 1:45:00 PM by Daefaroth

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