Poor Image: One Game For The Price Of Two

The current image right now has The Oracle series for the page.

While the image counts for a subversion of the trope, I don't think it's a good example for the trope image (which should continue a more straight example of the trope), since they were two different games, (different world, different game mechanics, just with linking ability), opposed to a more straight example, like the Pokemon series, where it is the same world, and almost the same game just different Pokemon and other minor differences.

Apparently, this was discussed before (the original image was Pokemon, but it was changed due to duplicate image concerns, and Fan Myopia.) The current image was picked due to image quality. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1343570093034722500

Since we cannot go back to Pokemon because of the duplicate image issue, why not use the Mega Man Battle Network series for an image? Like this one◊, or something similar:

I'll open this, but given how many times this image was discussed in the past, nevermind that "it's not an example" concerns usually get less weight than "doesn't illustrate" ones, it's likely it won't change in the end.

Anyhow, I am not sure how the suggestion is better than the current.

I can provide a picture of the .hack R1 Games when I get home from work today.

Otherwise, I say compile ALL the Pokemon games together by generation, showing both versions and the 3rd version that came out later. Red, Blue, & Yellow; Gold, Silver, & Crystal; Ruby, Sapphire, & Emerald; Diamond, Pearl, & Platinum, Black & white, Black 2 & White 2, X & Y, Alpha Sapphire & Omega Ruby. Having one giant screenshot of the entire franchise like that will most certainly not be dismissed for duplicate image concerns.

edited 13th Jan '15 4:23:27 AM by DRCEQ

@3: That looks even less like the trope than the current.

In what way?

crop of the back of this◊?

edited 13th Jan '15 4:38:01 AM by Memers

It looks like a videogame with some extra content to me. Not even close to the current trope.

Actually, I'll just do it now.

edited 13th Jan '15 5:03:31 AM by DRCEQ

That works, you even got the pictures looking good.

Yeah, the camera on a galaxy S4 cell phone can focus quite nicely.

That looks more like Episodic Game.

Edit: Which, incidentally, doesn't have an image. Would it work for that trope instead? I'm not familiar with the series.

edited 13th Jan '15 4:21:55 PM by troacctid

Sure, that works.

I was hoping to apply it to this one just for the caption (seriously, seven games for two stories), but I'm OK with that.

Aye, put that suggestion under Episodic Game.

Make sure it gets added to the examples as well. The trope works more for digital download series like anything from Telltale Games. Sam And Max Freelance Police even seperates its episodes by calling them Episodes.

Yeah, .hack isn't really like any of the modern episodic games, Digital Devil Saga isn't as well.

Any more opinions on the issue?

None of these suggestions are as clear as the current. For the record, The Oracle games have the same game mechanics, with the exception of using different types of time travel (as their names indicate). They were meant for both games be played. If you've only played one of them, you're missing out on half the experience. So, I don't see the enthusiasm to change it.

I agree, the Oracle games are not an example of this. While they do superficially fit (needing linking to get 100% Completion) this is only true of Rings (and there are only a very small number of version exclusive rings, like, less than 5) and the True Final Boss only being accesible on a linked game. Other than that, the games are completley stand-alone in all respects. They more feel like one game and its sequel, except you get to choose which is the sequel. The page even says "So really, more like Two Connected Games For The Price Of Two". If you're arguing that the two had the same game mechanics, so did Link's Awakening. (Their engine is clearly based of its one) Also, they don't both use time travel. Ages had Dual-World Gameplay (and is currently the image for it), Seasons had season changing, which was more like altering the terrain of the same world. (It did sort of have a second world, but it was much smaller and not a copy of the main one)

Pokemon Red and Blue is a much better example, as the games are functionally identical except for the Pokemon that appear, meaning they are really the same game but you need both versions for 100%. The original Pokemon games are also well-known enough not to suffer from Fan Myopia.

edited 22nd Jan '15 3:00:06 PM by BigKlingy

The original Pokemon games are nowhere near well-known enough to escape JAFAAC.

They're more well-known that the current picture though.

The games don't have to be otherwise identical. The point of the trope is that some of the content is divided between them as a marketing ploy. The Oracle games are a straight example. The Dot Hack games aren't an example at all from what I can tell—they're just an Episodic Game, which is a different thing. Pokémon would be a fine example if you found an ad that highlighted the marketing scheme the way the current image does, but simply throwing the box art for two versions onto the page is Just A Face And A Caption and a pretty sharp downgrade from the current.

I do like the Dot Hack pic for Episodic Game.

edited 22nd Jan '15 3:08:02 PM by troacctid

At that level the difference doesn't matter anymore.

So... can we go ahead and put the .Hack pic up on either this or Episodic Game then?

Image added to Episodic Game, but it's not on the example list. Should it be added to the list, or should the image be removed?