Suicide Squad Movie

Well, that's nice for Ivy, I guess. My actual opinion is that all these messed up kind-of-villains like Ivy and Harley should be getting extensive therapy before they even think of getting into an actual relationship. Of course they're in superhero worlds, so that's probably never going to happen, unfortunately.

And yeah, Katana's whole talking to the dead husband thing will probably make that weird, never mind then.

For us to care about anything Ivy does in this universe we should get to know her as a character in this iteration first.

Just having her suddenly show up to 'turn Joker into mulch' without even a proper development of her relationship with Harley first serves no purpose but scratching a few people's character-hating bias gratuitously.

Especially since the last live action Ivy we got was from Batman & Robin.

Will Smith on Jimmy Fallon. His squeal after seeing the Batmobile is priceless.

I think it shouldn't be forgotten that Harley is a child-murdering, regular people-murdering sociopath. She kinds deserves fucked up relationships.

Edit: Jai Courtney didn't know _____ was in the film 'til he saw it.

Edit 2: Mark Hughes on Skwad

edited 29th Jul '16 8:42:44 PM by Cruherrx

People don't care what she does. She's hot and wacky .

I am not entirely sure how to feel about having the DCEU this interconnected. It could theoretically lead to some excellent storytelling, but it could also lead to half baked long form narratives. I've been critical of the MCU for being too reliant on being episodic Worldbuilding where nothing really significant happens in the plot except for the hints towards the Myth Arc. The focus is on shared characters, continuity nods and mythology gags to the point that half the film is an advertisement for the following film. BVS had it's own fair share of that, but you definitely can't argue the movie starts and ends in roughly the same place.

It does call into question the auteur method that the DCEU is promoting as part of their films. It can't be easy to be told "You must have A, B and C in your film" when you don't want to. It was made clear that David Ayer came to Warner Brothers with Suicide Squad rather than the other way around. Ben Affleck said he was made a producer on Justice League not because he has direct influence on the story, but that as the Batman director he needed the power to direct how the character is portrayed. It seems Snyder being a producer on Suicide Squad was for similar reasons, so when Ayer says "I want Batman" or "I want The Flash," Snyder can say "Yes" but with his input on how the character is used so that it doesn't contradict Justice League.

That's debatable.

As points out, Ivy is a horrible, murderous misanthrope (not merely misandrist - she may use men's weaknesses against them more often, but she hates everybody) whose supposedly sympathetic motives only somewhat cover up sadistic love of hurting people that has always rivaled other Gotham villains like Scarecrow. The rare caring she shows very specific people tends to be hypocritical, and there's a reason why titles like Gotham City Sirens generally portray her as the Token Evil Teammate in a team already composed of bad guys.

It's a problem with DC's tendency for Depending on the Writer that prevents sympathetic interpretations from really sticking except in very rare cases, and it hits every single Batman villain. In regards to Harley, for example, whether or not Ivy is actually abusive to her - she has occasionally been in the past, and while she's not abusive now that's because there's a new writer fitting her into a new narrative for Harley herself. Ivy's at her nicest these days, but the possibility of that lasting long is cloudy because it doesn't mesh well with the way the character typically acts in a medium that thrives on status quo.

edited 30th Jul '16 1:10:37 AM by KnownUnknown

I'd say the best way to introduce Ivy in the DCEU would be her as a somewhat reformed researcher like her current job in the comics.◊ Could have her go back to being a villain later.

edited 30th Jul '16 4:21:30 AM by LordofLore

Poison Ivy's 6-issue mini-arc was a pretty good read, mainly because it didn't cover up that she's not exactly a stable person.

In this new interview, David Ayer says something about the creative control WB gives them.

edited 30th Jul '16 7:50:52 AM by Cruherrx

Ivy is as violent or as "grey" as the particular chooses to make her at the time. At times, she's a cartoonish psycho who feeds people to plants. At others, she's more nuanced and has sympathetic traits. I believe that there was an arc where she essentially became the protector/surrogate mother figure to a bunch of orphan children (and even Batman agrees to leave the in her care, thinking that they'll be safe).

It was during (or around) No Mans Land, I think.

In general she has an affinity for being a mother to other living things, but like characters like Darth Vader, Ivy's one of those people whose decisions to care about very specific people seem rather unfair and selfish in the scope of her being horrible to literally everyone else.

I've always compared her to Scarecrow, because of how both of the are misanthropes and sadists who have actually similar personalities and M.O's at times. Like Ivy, Crane has also had sympathetic moments where he's gone out of his way to protect people who remind him of his own problems/fixations (rather than children, he protects bullied people), like that time he got revenge for a nerd who was abused by her schoolmates, but in general has no problem harming swaths of people that would include those he occasionally sympathizes with.

Generally, both of them are only good to other people when there's a personal stake in it for them.

edited 30th Jul '16 10:05:16 AM by KnownUnknown

Why "Suicide Squad" Replaced King Shark With Killer Croc

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/why-suicide-squad-replaced-king-shark-with-killer-croc

Man news sites are hungry. They turned that single tweet into a whole news story.

The title brings up a question that the article doesn't actually answer. The article doesn't really say much of anything at all, even.

edited 30th Jul '16 8:21:25 PM by KnownUnknown

Some BTS stuff.

I saw this in a store yesterday- "Harley Quinn's Greatest Hits (Featuring the Suicide Squad!)"◊ It's a collection of old Harley-centric comics (details here.) It's cheaper than the other Harley Quinn books.

Obviously it's intended to appeal to people interested in the new movie. I like the cover art.

Has Superman just tossed Killer Croc's car?

Harley Quinn #21... that's probably the new Harley series and not the old Harley series, right?

Which is a shame, cuz looking it up, the old Harley Quinn #21 is the one where she breaks out of hell (long story).

Apparently the Skwad cast was very horny.

So this isn't a complete shitpost, Jared's been posting new Joker stuff on his instagram.

Laughs

edited 31st Jul '16 7:28:48 PM by Cruherrx

Suicide Squad mid-credits scene

Some guy had a camera, it seems.

TMI, Mr. Smith.

I'm six hours away from seeing it! I think that, along with Zootopia and Finding Dory, it tops my list of "movies I am the most impatient to see this year".

Suicide Squad now projected to make between $130 - $140 million in the opening weekend

Margot Robbie revealed the inspiration for the voice of Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad

Early reviews are up and it's off to a rough start. Thus far, most of them are either negative or MEDIOCRE, from rotten tomatoes:

Here's the most positive one:

It opened at 14% on Rotten Tomatoes and 45 on metacritic

edited 2nd Aug '16 9:17:39 AM by Gaon