Suicide Squad Movie

Surprised they didn't like Diablo. He was probably my favorite part of the movie. Most of it is on point though.

I nearly spit out my drink at, "Some Steven Seagal-looking ass rope dork."

edited 6th Dec '16 12:45:35 PM by Soble

You know, Is funny but I like how Honest trailer can rip a movie and somehow I dont feel bad about it, they were brutal but it feels....well, honest

Is not they dont like Diablo, is more than the squad wasnt very cooperative actually.

I noticed the Honest Trailer gave Jared Leto's performance as Lex Luthor utter pelters.

... Oh, he was supposed to be the Joker and that Jesse Eisenberg guy was supposed to be Lex Luthor?

Now I am confused.

I Hate Everything doesn't like it:

Margot Robbie got a Critic's Choice Award!

Finally picked up the movie on blu-ray and watched the extended cut. Like it's been said, it's not a huge difference to the overall pacing and structure like BVS was but the extra scenes allow the film to breathe a little more and support the various themes that were lost in the theatrical version. Most of it was smaller character moments with more interaction between the squad, right after Slipknot is killed Boomerang tries chatting up Croc about trying to escape and gets punted across the alley. Harley also does some psychoanalyzing of Croc and Katana because she was bored. There were only three/four additions that really elevated the movie.

The first is a couple of small scenes between Deadshot and Flagg that better illuminated their relationship, and right before they reach the final chamber Flag confesses how scared he is for June and has a monologue about the myth of love. Deadshot affirms that he has his back. In the theatrical cut I felt that Flag hugging Deadshot after destroying the pillar of light was unearned (but still funny). These few additions make that hug feel better earned.

A few extra scenes with Harley and the Joker, including him better depicting the shock treatment he is about to give Harley is revenge for the Asylum doing the same to him. Another flashback for Harley is inserted before they go inside the building Waller is in, and thereby before the bleach tub flashback. She tracks down Joker on a motorcycle and gets him out of the Lamborghini, holding up traffic behind them. Dialogue says she had been stalking him and he rejected her, this scene is probably Leto's best as the Joker because he isn't fixated on Harley and in fact tells her off because she's obsessed with him as an idea. She ended up pointing a gun at him, along with a nice line "You're afraid of love but not a gun to the head?" It adds more context to their relationship, but also has some synergy with the talk of love and commitment later in the bleach flashback and the climax.

And, of course, the bar scene. It gives a few additional moments to each of the squad, but most importantly it gives us a lead in to Diablo sharing his secret. The additional scenes of Flag and Deadshot have Flag promise to pull strings outside of Waller to get Deadshot what he wants, and Deadshot says such to the others in the bar (which is likely the reason behind the edit, you can't leave one but either both stay or both cut). Diablo snaps at Deadshot for taking the bait "the carrot on a stick", for believing he'll get an easy out. That's what leads into the second half of the scene shown in the theatrical version, creating more context for why Diablo shared the story of killing his family, as similar to the hug this felt unearned given how quiet Diablo was before. The closeness and comradery in the bar scene makes the "This is my family" at the end also work much better. If anything, that one moment alone is the heart of the movie, where the characters accept the evil they've done and try to do one decent thing.

Well done to Robbie. At least something good came from that mess.

Suicide Squad is nominated for an Oscar for Hair and Makeup.

Deadshot had a beard. His costume was accurate.

I've seen little girls with Harley's rainbow pigtails (and thankfully the similarities ended there).

...I don't know what they did to Jai Courtney's hair, and he looked like a bum.

Joker's hair looked pretty standard, just more slicked back than usual, kind of like his New 52 hair.

Katana wears a mask, Flag, and Waller were nothing special, and Diablo didn't have any hair. Croc...

I suppose Harley and Diablo were well-designed. And Deadshot was cool when they actually had him wear the costume, but just like Spider-Man 3 you can't cover up the star for the entirety of the film so he was basically Will Smith wearing a scouter. So all in all I don't really see what was so amazing about th...

Oh wait.

Enchantress! Yeah. The hair and make-up department did wonders with her. They worked so hard on her I wasn't even sure it was the same character!

edited 22nd Dec '16 9:37:38 AM by Soble

For most of the movie, I thought Enchantress was a different actress. And then at the final battle, after she cleaned up, I was like "holy shit, that's still her!"

Much like BVS I can say that while the movie itself was a fucking mess, I liked most of the character designs they went with.

Croc alone puts the movie up on that level. Daylight, nighttime, fluorescent, behind-the-scenes, it was some pretty impressive stuff.

Dowdy but still eyecatching is a hard look to pull off, but I thought they did it with Waller. And it's harder to translate comic-book costumes to the big screen than you think— there's a lot of practical detail in real clothing that's left out of the spandex and body armour on the comic panel (or exaggerated to the point of ridiculousness), and blending that with the kind of over-the-top designerwear that criminals might actually wear is an achievement.

They're not my favourite designs of the characters ever (the things I like best are the small details, like Waller's outfits and 'I am the Light, the Way' on Deadshot's collar), but I think they work with the movie's overall aesthetic and fit together onscreen. They deserve the nod, whether or not they get the win.

Hair and Make-up is different from Costume Design, but I agree with you on that. In addition, it's hard to tell at first but Harley's white skin is not In-Universe make-up, but her skin is bleached from the vat of acid she jumped in like the Joker. But Harley's classic jester costume would come across as too much of a cosplay, the brief glimpse of her in that costume was a nice fanservice moment but didn't look that good and would have impeded the actress's performance and made stunts more difficult. Her official costume looks good with the rest of the squad, along with evoking an original Harley Quinn look (one that is not as provocative as a number of other Harley costumes). When we see them walk together they have their own distinctive styles but they all feel like part of the same world.

I've mentioned before that when we first saw The Joker and how he would look there was an outrage, but in the club scene where all the other characters are wearing gaudy outfits and are heavily tattoo'd and pierced he also looks unique but is a product of that world. Especially the way he was sitting down and holding his cane.

Yeah,I suppose the conversation led me away from just hair and make-up. Though it's hard to separate those things from costume when it comes to superheroes. They're all of a piece when it comes to Harley, Croc, Diablo, the Joker, Enchantress...

I think Harley's harlequin costume could be streamlined to work in spirit— make it out of some athletic body-stocking, keep the pattern but lose some of the frills, incorporating them into suit rather than sitting on top of it. Make the cap-and-bells shorter and smaller— even smaller than in the Animated Series. It could be made functional, and it could even be awesome, highly distinctive for a scene or two (probably not a whole movie), if done right.

...the jester costume is her official costume?

Because I know you didn't mean the extremely provocative costume in the movie was her "official" costume. The one she wears New 52 is absolutely provocative. Her Rebirth costume is the least provocative combining the sexy killer clown with the jester look, and sti...

...Nope, googling it isn't showing the one where she had a full red and black costume with pants included, but I know it existed.

Which non-provocative Harley get-up are you referring to? If you were supplanting her classic costume with the Rebirth/New 52 costume those ones are still pretty showy.

edited 24th Dec '16 3:52:00 PM by Soble

This costume. This one right here. That's her pre-New 52 costume. Her current DC Rebirth costume is this one.

However, the most conservative version of Harley is probably the DC Super Hero Girls version.

edited 24th Dec '16 4:14:39 PM by alliterator

Anything that's not the classic jester costume tends to be fairly provocative, whether it be New 52, animated movies or the Arkham games. The Suicide Squad version I would put somewhat low on that scale because she might have short shorts but has a full length t-shirt and often a jacket.

Well, I saw the movie again with my brother, I will said:

-I like Enchantress first costume A LOT, she look so cool in it, while the second one is too boring

-the movie is good and entretaing but I have some weird sequences of events, they start with Floyed and Harley been taken from their cell, them it move to Waller and is only them that it start with Title making the previous scene complete pointless.

-I have to give to Honest trailers, they were right about the music: IS there but it change A LOT.

-My brother do like Waller by her cold blood nature(specially how she just shoot everyone in the room) and the fact she is not afraid of anything, I have to said...yeah, she is quite awsome.

-And again I really dislike how the thing move since you can predit who is important and who is not: first, they show Floyed and Harley, them we see him again in their presentation, contrast with this is Capitan boomeran who show also in the presentation(and is shorter than two before him) and again right after going to Midway city and worse is Katana(who just show out of nowhere with Flagg screeming is power) and slipnok who is just....there.

-When it come to acting I have to said is solid enough, violet davis is good as always, Will smith is good but the best arc if of course el diablo

-I have to said....yeah, Joker arc feel just there, is not bad by any means but since he just shoot down and Harley goes back to the group it feel a extended cameo a best.

So those are my impression, now I have a question: Harley is gone and El Diablo is dead, who is going to replace them in a sequel?

There's no way Harley won't be back in some capacity or another. As to El Diablo, Dr Light (the villainous version) would probably be a decent replacement in terms of pure firepower if he operates at maximum potential.

So, finally got around to watching it.

It... was... okay. That's just... honestly all I could feel about it. It felt like it was less than the sum of its parts. I genuinely liked everything about Diablo, from his personality, acting, makeup/design, effects/abilities... he was great.

Margot... I'm sorry, but I hated her accent. It grew increasingly grating throughout the movie for me. But that's personal preference and accent aside, she truly killed it. As did Deadshot.

But yeah, they tried to walk a fine line between "these are bad people" and "these are people you have to root for" and wound up failing, in my opinion. They also failed in terms of showing them bonding. Like somehow they're a family at the end because... reasons. It just felt forced. Even Deadshot and Harley, who had a lot more scenes together didn't really make me feel like they earned the "we are a family" thing (though I did love every scene they had together. Those two did have a great chemistry... or rather, just two really charismatic people).

Also didn't help that this was an out-and-out Idiot Plot. But that's been covered by everyone.

What I did like was, oddly enough, Joker in terms of the setting. Here he felt more like a legitimate criminal kingpin who also happened to be crazy, rather than just an insane clown who somehow is Batman's equal. I sorta understood how he was a threat in the setting (though the fact he lived two miles from freaking Superman undermines that somewhat. The performance was not good, but I really liked what they did. But it also made Harley all the more nonsensical to me. She's a girl with a bat and a revolver. How does that make her qualified to be... anything? Even her Waller-recruitment speech basically just says "she's crazy and fearless!" which doesn't even sound that valuable on the team since everyone but Boomerang was fearless. Not to mention that having her on the team attracts the Joker which... yeah. I love the Badass Normal trope but when there's a badass normal in an ensemble like this it usually either leads to Power Creep, Power Seep or just not making any sense and in this case, it was both.

Watched this on the airplane.

Strengths: It was entertaining. Music was fun. Will Smith, Margot Robbie, and Viola Davis did a good job acting. Diverse cast, which is good to see in a superhero movie.

Weaknesses:

1) Failure to create motivations for the characters. It was clear why Deadshot decided to go after Enchantress. It wasn't so clear for Harley, though one could construct plausible motivations (Death Seeker because she thought Joker was dead, and wanted to go out dramatically?). The rest of the characters (besides Katana and Flagg) had no reason whatsoever. Especially Boomerang, who clearly had no desire to be there and should have ditched the group the second Flagg destroyed the detonator control.

2) Plot was poorly constructed. First, the entire fiasco was Waller's fault, as one of her attack dogs (Enchantress) got off the leash. That should cause the end of the Suicide Squad idea, not the beginning, since it's failed catastrophically before it even got off the ground. Then she brings the squad in just for the purposes of rescuing herself? Even worse. That's a terrible use of the Squad - all they did was fight mooks that were killable by gunfire, blunt-force-trauma, more or less anything that kills a regular person. A high-level Special Forces team could have done the same thing, without any of the incredibly high risk associated with arming nearly a dozen violent criminals.

3) The filmmakers didn't seem to have a clear sense of whether the Squad were supposed to be antiheroes, antivillains, or villain protagonists. Deadshot falls clearly in the antihero/antivillain category (professional hitman, but has standards - no killing women or children - and has people he cares about and is willing to make sacrifices for their sake). From the start, he's even willing to be a member of the Squad voluntarily under certain conditions. Around the same moral level as Deadpool. Harley, by her backstory, is clearly meant to be an outright villain, but the plot doesn't treat her as one. Most of the other characters are barely characterized.

But the backstory section is clearly intended to portray them as villains. If they are meant to be villains, they should have more in the way of villainy in the movie itself, not just in Waller's intro clips.

I think if the plot had involved the Squad going on a mission that was more morally ambiguous rather than straightforward heroic world-saving, and if they had clearer motivations for participating (and if less time was spent on setup), it would have been a good movie.

edited 29th Dec '16 7:06:06 PM by Galadriel

Pretty much to all of the above, yeah.

I still think you could edit the movie we got into a pretty decent story. It's not even about some mythic director's cut— I just think the visuals and performances are strong enough that a talented fan editor could overhaul the structure of the thing, keep the basic storyline but change the framework and context around. Some Phantom Edit shit. I'd like to see it attempted, anyway.

I've said before that Smith's character would have made more sense if he was Bronzd Tiger not Deadshot.