Suicide Squad Movie

Reviews aren't supposed to be objective. They are literally a person's opinion about something. But, seen in aggregate, they can indicate whether or not something is worth watching or worth skipping. For example: I will probably see Moana because of all the good reviews it got. I will probably not see Trolls because of all the bad reviews it got.

This doesn't mean people have to agree with reviews or strictly go with them, this just means that reviews indicate an overall direction that many critical opinions are pointing. You can't ignore them, because critic's voices do hold weight. There was a reason that Siskel and Ebert had an entire show dedicated to them just telling which movies they gave "two thumbs up" (even though I disagreed with many of their reviews).

I also find it funny that you pointed out BVS had a mixed score only to then say that reviews don't matter. If reviews don't matter, then why the insistence that BVS had a mixed score? (Also, 27% isn't really "mixed." It's pretty rotten.)

edited 2nd Dec '16 6:39:00 AM by alliterator

You don't think I want to like these films?

I want to like them. Unless you have a vendetta against the cast, which I don't (who hates Will Smith? Really?) I don't think more movies based on beloved franchises and characters are bad things.

But these films are incompetently made. Suicide Squad desperately wants us to believe in the bonds between the titular superteam while giving us no reason to. It wants us to believe Waller is a Magnificent Bastard when the problem was entirely her fault. And let's not forget the climax: "Don't save the world daddy!"

I don't want to hate these films. Really. But they're not giving me any reason to like them. And like I've said, if these films are this bad, then why should I get invested in Justice League?

Besides Janet Hubert and people who saw Willd Wild West and After Earth?

edited 2nd Dec '16 6:42:22 AM by windleopard

I blame Spider fanboy and M. Night, respectively.

You can't hate Will Smith for more than 1 movie. It's impossible.

Man could set an orphanage on fire, all it would take to make you love him again is a quip or a Fresh Prince-esque expression.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

He really is ridiculously charismatic. I mean even in Suicide Squad (the theatrical version at least) he plays a recidivist criminal who works for gangsters killing people for money and yet remains pretty likeable purely through sheer Will Smithness.

Which is a problem I kind of had with Suicide Squad in general - these were meant to be the baddest of bad dudes (and dudettes) but it was pretty much entirely told not shown. The most criminal thing Harley did ON SCREEN was a bit of vandalism and shoplifting. El Diablo seemed to be pretty much a perfectly nice dude with a bit of power incontinence. Deadshot was Will Smith and loved his daughter. Boomerang ends up as the token evil team-mate on a team of villains which doesn't ring quite true to me.

Compare it to Guardians Of The Galaxy and whilst they end up as better people by the end of the movie they still seem a far more truculent and dangerous bunch than the Squad.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

Will Smithness is a perfect term and I will use it going forward.

The Extended edition makes it clearer how bad a person Harley is. She lives to cause hurt for her amusement. Diablo being the nicest of the bunch despite looking the meanest and having the darkest backstory is kinda the point, I feel.

Captain Boomerang is trash, and that lends itself to more comedy. Stuff like him robbing corpses gets played for laughs given the situation they're all in.

Anyway, yeah, you're right. Movie needs more hardcore DC bad guys instead of the woobies.

edited 2nd Dec '16 7:22:56 AM by Cruherrx

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

6 Which is a good to always ask because if a movie studio is not creditable to give you the quality you paid for then why trust them?

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that's what i criticized the film for too. there is so much exposition in the script about their evilness that hardly any is shown without being without being reduced to darkness-induced audience apathy. its the textbook example of author intrusion.

edited 2nd Dec '16 7:29:01 AM by WolyniaBookSeries

Will Smithness is the perfect description and it's probably why I never get mad at him in the films.

I will said Will smith worst film(after earth) DENIED Will smith is charm by relegatng him into emotionless men who is just a second character who barely do anything which undercut is will smithness(Yeah, Im linking the term too)

Also about Waller, she is smart but also something of a bully who have tendecy of solving things with brutality and she can get away because a) she is part of the government and b) she is dealing with criminal scum, she start this problem not by creating the squad but by messing too much with Enchantress without expecting retaliation

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

I just want to say, ...Alt- Right ? Who the hell could claim they were ?

Bv S was about an orange haired insane billionaire with daddy issues manipulating a middle aged white man with self worth issues into killing an illegal immigrant .

If this had come out after the election I'd call it hamhanded commentary.

That's a dark road I could go down.

As for the edits, I can assume Goyer didn't want to fill the movie with the soundtrack from Wayne's World?

Do foundling refugees count as illegal immigrants? Or is the assumption that the folks in the DCEU don't know that Superman was a helpless baby when he arrived on earth? So, a victim of child abuse manipulated two orphans to fight each other and then sicced a monster on them to kill them when they wouldn't kill each other. Sounds like Lex and Bruce really needed to see a good psychologist. Clark just needs plenty of friends.

edited 2nd Dec '16 11:55:26 AM by bookworm6390

I feel like you misread "literal" as "liberal".

"Bv S was about an orange haired insane billionaire with daddy issues manipulating a middle aged white man with self worth issues into killing an illegal immigrant . "

And them create a monster to set against said inmigrant....yeah....

"My monster doomsday is not going to kill anyone except radical kryptonian, do you want to protect out planet?"

Yeah, I can see it.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

...I feel like there's an argument here, but, given the DC thread got closed, I'm just going to glare at this for a few moments and then go do something else.

...I don't know how much these thing amount to really.

Redhead Luthor was one of Luthor's earlier designs. I thought that was pretty funny nod because, yeah, at first it loos ridiculous. But one of the Superboy stories had Luthor lose his hair due to Superboy's heat vision.

It's not like Joker's character hasn't undergone radical transformations before. Reacting harshly to tattooed Joker seems hypocritical unless you were similarly displeased with Glasglow Joker. And how much does that initial reaction really matter when everybody ended up loving Glasglow Joker despite how different he was?

Harley in booty shorts is pretty much her signature costume now, even over the jester costume which nobody wants her to wear anymore. Margot Robbie in booty shorts is the best thing ever, you shut your mouth.

I'm sorry but, that doesn't say much. Terminator Genisys ruined its big plot twist in its second trailer, Batman v Superman decided to spoil the inclusion of Doomsday, and Suicide Squad completely changed its personality. One can hope that WW breaks the streak but I'm not taking those odds.

Even if WW's second trailer is really good there's still time for them to edit the movie to pieces before it comes out. Suicide Squad, Age of Ultron, BVS had damn good trailers too and look at how those turned out - passable, but not as great as advertised.

And a bigger budget just means it has farther to fall. The female-directed film with the lowest budget that does ridiculously well will have my approval.

edited 2nd Dec '16 4:05:05 PM by Soble

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!

How the general audiences respond to the trailers has a massive impact on the success of the movie. Ghostbusters has shown how devastating that can be. Wonder Woman, while maybe never has been as well defined as the other heroes, still has a lot of hype and expectations. The fact the trailers have been as well received is a remarkable feat, considering the type of backlash I had just mentioned from other films.

I think the worst example of trailers ruining a perfectly good movie that I can recall was Bridge To Terabithia, which blatantly advertised the movie as something its not. So at least they can look back and say "hey, at least we weren't THAT bad."

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Special Features:

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

More concept art for Joker and Harley Quinn

They had some weird design choices in some of that concept art.

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure

That's the point of preliminary designs. You go crazy and out there, and then you focus in on what works and what doesn't as you continue going forward.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

Ok...that Joker design make him look like a pimp

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

It was going to be posted eventually.

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure

Will Smith tries. He really does.

Shame about everything else.

The part about the soundtrack sounding like somone zapping through a radio station was pretty clever. Pretty good honest trailer overall.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."