Pan (yet another Peter Pan origin story)

I AM LIVING IN MY DENIAL HOLE WHERE THAT MOVIE NEVER EXISTED, LALALALALALALA YOUR TRUTCH CAN'T TOUCH ME.

(I actually completely forgot about that movie. I never saw it and I don't think I will. )

Actually, the bad guys were all one race too.

In fact, they were the wrong race as well. The Fire Nation is a lot like Imperial Japan and the FN people reflected that. They were Indian in the movie, probably so that Shyamalan could make a cameo.

I was bothered more by the fact that they were shitty actors than any racebending.

I agree.

I mean, if the worst thing you can say about a movie is that the actors were the wrong race, it's a good movie.

Yeah...with a good actor you can still argue "well, he is so good, it doesn't matter" (works in reverse, too...see Elba in Thor). But with a bad one, it seems that whatever the reasons for picking those actors were, it was not about finding the best ones for the role.

According to a now-locked Avatar forum that had a crewmember from The Last Airbender chime in, Peltz / Katara was cast based on nepotism and then the rest of the very-white cast followed from there.

I highly suspect that's also what put her in Transformers 4, hence why they had to have that whole scene to justify her dating an older guy.

Why didn't they just have her be 18?

Then they wouldn't have had a legal statutory rapist in their movie.

Also, wow did this get off topic!

edited 28th Nov '14 9:22:44 PM by BaconManiac5000

Too off-topic. Rerail it back, everyone.

This. I can agree that being true to the original would be a terrible idea and being true to actual native Americans would be tricky if not outright impossible (and it doesn't make that much sense anyway). That doesn't mean they should be white, though. Specially if it means the heroine is white, again. It really feels like they are going out of their way to make sure the female lead is white.

This is what they are doing here, it seems. Peter, Hook, the Indians and the Lost Kids are all white. But the pirates seems to come in all flavors. Granted, we only have the first trailer to go by, but this is not a promising start.

edited 29th Nov '14 10:23:45 AM by Heatth

...OK, I did a little research and apparently Wendy is suppose to be in this movie. She wasn't in the trailer, so I assume its a cameo or minor role. The Other Wiki says she will be played by a young black girl.

Look, I don't want to jump on the "Whitewashing Casting" bandwagon, but this whole "We couldn't find a person of color to properly play Tiger Lily" thing is starting to look really bad.

Well, to find good child actors is always difficult, so I am ready to give them the benefit of the doubt if their pick provides a good performance.

It's interesting that that's also what they did with Annie (2014), taking a story that had a white girl and making her black in the new version. Is this a trend?

Oh no they're breeding!

Right, who wants to make bets on Sean Bean's character dying?

I wager death by crocodile.

Well, no, you could go a third option of the Native American Tribes fulfilling the same role as they did in the novel, play/musical, and movie did, but editing out the inaccuracies and racist stereotypes. If anyone is so attached to those stereotypes of such minor characters that its 'ruined 4ever', than they can go die in a hole somewhere.

Or, on another option, have the portrayal as faithful to the book a possible (racism and all), but the work somehow (dialogue, framing device, etc.) acknowledges that this is racist and wrong. Could potentially be a plot point. Sometimes I think a work's biggest flaws could be easily solved if the work either acknowledged them or even made them a plot point.

I don't know that second option would possibly work. People pointing out how stereotypical they're acting? Lampshading their own broken English or mish-mash tribe aesthetic? It's likely that would only pull the viewer out of the work.

Not exactly. I've seen it work but it usually requires a very specific context to work.

Ummmm... I'll shave the names off of one for an example. Group A identifies themselves as a part of Culture X. Culture X does not actually act or dress anything like this but pays to the stereotypes the audience understands. Later in the movie, Plot Twist! Group A is actually NOT apart of Culture X and all of their dialogue about their stereotypical characature-ization of Culture X has significant new meaning upon the second viewing and the audience will feel foolish for falling to their stereotype portrayal while audience members who caught on to the inaccuracies will feel all the smarter for seeing through it.

Oh god, they dragged Sean Bean into this....

If anything we have the potential for Wolverine to fight Ned Stark.

Please warner bros, we want Ned Stark Vs Wolverine. DO. NOT. FUCK. THIS. UP.

Check the date on that article (as well as the content). Not the same as this movie.

edited 29th Nov '14 6:23:33 PM by CorrTerek

Didn't Sy Fy have a Peter Pan prequel that had the Indian tribe be actual Native Americans of some tribe or another?

Yes.

edited 29th Nov '14 10:48:11 PM by BaconManiac5000

Supposedly, a Native American actress turned up to audition for the role and was turned away with out even auditioning. *ahem* this just became very awkward.