Duplicate Trope: Western Animation/Il Etait Une Fois and Western Animation.Once Upon A Time

Hi,

A few weeks back I created an article named Il Était Une Fois.... This is a French animated series, in case you aren't familiar. Yesterday I found out that there already is an article about this series, yet under the English title, Once Upon a Time and without any mention to the original French name (explains why I didn't stumble on it earlier).

Luckily, it's not much work to bring the information of both articles together in one article, because:

1) Once Upon a Time has a very short and basic introduction, no image and lists only tropes of two, specific spin-off series of this series.

2) Il Était Une Fois... has a longer, more detailed introduction, an image and lists only tropes that describe the entire series in general, not the spin-offs.

I'll be generous and will ask for my article to be deleted (Il Etait Une Fois) since the other one is older, but I am in favor of merging my information into "Once Upon A Time". If you want I do it myself, because I know the series by heart. After I transported the information, I'll give a sign and then Il Etait Une Fois can be deleted.

PS: Could someone mail me a private message if a decision is made? That will make things go a lot quicker.

edited 8th Sep '14 12:42:04 PM by Patachou

Opened.

The title used by Wikipedia is Once Upon a Time... Man which is also the title of the UK release, so we ought to put the work page under Once Upon A Time Man.

The original title of the franchise is Il était une fois ("Once Upon A Time"). The characters were always the same, but the content and setting differed with each series.

Once Upon A Time... Man is just the title of the first installment, discussing world history. So there's nothing wrong with the English title 'Once Upon A Time', seeing that it discusses the franchise as a whole and not every separate series installment.

edited 9th Sep '14 11:11:42 AM by Patachou

I think in this case, using the French name would avoid lots of problem of collision with the subpages. "Once Upon a Time" is used as a trope name, as a Series/ article and a Literature/ article too. Thus it has Characters, Recap, etc. subpages, which mostly concern the live-action series and not the animated series.

Also, note that the English name is "Once Upon a Time...", but we can't custom title this properly because of the aformentioned works, which don't have any punctuation.

This should warrant an exception to the "English first" rule; WesternAnimation/OnceUponATime should be turned into a redirect once the content is moved to WesternAnimation/IlEtaitUneFois.

Edited by StFan on Jul 1st 2021 at 7:53:32 PM

Shared subpages are common and not a problem (see, for example, Inferno).

Custom titles apply per-namespace, so there's no conflict there.

I see no reason to use a non-English name for this.

Custom titles do not apply per namespace anymore. We cannot custom title two pages under the same title independently anymore.

Ah. That's unfortunate. I'm not convinced that ellipsis alone is enough reason to make the page separate, but it could always go under Once Upon A Time Dot Dot Dot (with pointers from other Once Upon a Time pages, of course).

How well known is this series outside the francophone world anyway? On the opening titles you always read a lot of contributing TV channels from all across the world, most of them based in Europe and Canada.

It's translated in English too, this is fact, but it doesn't seem to be that famous or succesful there.

Anyway, I wait with transporting the information to either which article until a decision is made.

I know sharing subpages is common, but I really dislike it personally. If we can avoid it I would prefer that we did.

Another proposition:

Keep one page for the franchise (Western Animation/ Once Upon A Time)

Several for the separate series

If there's a problem with creating all these pages, I will take the task upon me. I've seen most of them.

edited 16th Sep '14 12:33:09 PM by Patachou

All of this would be needlessly complicated. Making separate pages isn't terribly necessary unless there's a lot of trope, which isn't the case; folders in the Franchise would do the trick.

As pointed out, the series is more well-known in the Francophone world; the French title would be best, especially to avoid cunfusion with other "Once Upon a Time" titles. Avoiding mixing subpage is just a plus.

Ok, then, people, but what should be done then?

We have two duplicate articles about the exact same page and one of them should definitely be deleted. Could someone please take a decision so that I know where the information of one article should be transported to the other?

I say move all the content of Once Upon a Time to Il Était Une Fois..., and makes WesternAnimation.Once Upon A Time into a redirect.

That's the simplest move, and that's what I would have done if I had realized there was a duplicate problem before noticing the existence of this thread.

That sounds like the best option to me, as well.

Works for me, too.

I'm agreed.

Late, I know, but in light of @4 I'll support the latest motion too.

OK, mission accomplished. Everything is moved to Il Était Une Fois... and the other page is emptied.

Thanks for the support and help!

I've turned the page WesternAnimation.Once Upon A Time into a proper redirect. Starting to correct the wicks too.

Did the last wick and put in the discussion page notes.

Awesome; locking up.