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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#1: Aug 16th 2014 at 11:18:04 PM

You know I always wondered why learning a new skill is hard er than l skill, trade or art harder than it looks? You see an expert doing it and they make it look easy and yet when a new person tries, it is difficult. Why is that?

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#2: Aug 16th 2014 at 11:28:47 PM

Because experts are experts and have been doing it for ages...?

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#3: Aug 17th 2014 at 1:01:59 AM

But why is it harder to learn a new skill?

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InverurieJones '80s TV Action Hero from North of the Wall. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#4: Aug 17th 2014 at 1:05:45 AM

Because you don't yet have the memory of how to do the thing.

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#5: Aug 17th 2014 at 2:02:44 AM

With some things, seeing someone do it makes it look easy, but you don't realize how out of your depth you are until you actually try it yourself.

Also, if you're talented in some areas, you tend to get complacent and encountering something that doesn't come naturally to you seems harder.

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#6: Aug 17th 2014 at 2:06:09 AM

True. Am natural pilot, for example. Not so much natural knitter. Find impossible and infuriating.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#7: Aug 17th 2014 at 10:58:39 AM

Experts are people who done a cetain skill many times before. They may make look easy and simple but in reality it is not...

edited 17th Aug '14 10:59:27 AM by GAP

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#8: Aug 17th 2014 at 11:02:45 AM

It's kind of not a difficult question to answer here at all.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#9: Aug 17th 2014 at 12:05:42 PM

I suppose not but it does take time and patience to learn a skill.

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#10: Aug 17th 2014 at 12:08:51 PM

Muscle memory is a huge part of it. It can only be attained by constant repetition.

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ArsThaumaturgis Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#11: Aug 17th 2014 at 2:43:20 PM

First, note that this is not an expert opinion, just lay musings; this idea comes from something that I read some time ago, although I fear that I forget where. ^^;

That said, I think that some of the effect is that part of learning a skill is internalising the elements of it; more or less having your brain write little semi-automatic programs with which to enact the skill. (This would more or less be what we refer to as "muscle memory".)

When you start learning, you have few or none of those "programs", and so are stuck attempting to do a large portion of the skill "manually": "all right, put my leg there, keep my hand up, back straight...". Once you've learned the skill, you have access to those "programs", meaning that you can just issue the high-level commands—"advance, advance, lunge!"—and the relevant "programs" are run at a lower level, beneath your conscious attention, additionally leaving the conscious mind perhaps a little more free than while learning.

edited 17th Aug '14 2:45:40 PM by ArsThaumaturgis

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#12: Aug 18th 2014 at 5:56:08 AM

If putting on dresses counts as a skill, I am not an expert.

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#13: Aug 18th 2014 at 6:36:31 AM

There's a big gap between seeing and even understanding what someone does, and actually doing it. You could see and describe accurately, say, a golf swing but you couldn't duplicate it just from looking, it takes practice.

Even then, there might be things you wouldn't pick up on from observation alone or wouldn't realize the importance of, like a subtly different way of holding a tool or a certain detail to some movement.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#14: Aug 23rd 2014 at 7:54:50 PM

Why does practice take a long time? How long does practice take?

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ArsThaumaturgis Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#15: Aug 23rd 2014 at 8:04:35 PM

To your first question: if we assume the mechanism that I described in my previous post (and this is my post, so I shall :P), then I recall that the suggested reason for this is that it takes the brain quite a few iterations of a given task to tease out which bits are part of the task, and how they should properly be done.

There may also be elements of clashes with other habits or skills: for example, sport-fencing involves a somewhat unintuitive pose for the legs, involving standing with the thighs out near-horizontal and the shins held at near ninety degrees to the thighs; while still getting used to this pose, it can, I think, be quite easy to slip into a pose in which the legs are held straighter than they should be for fencing, simply because the less-bent pose is closer to one's standard rest pose.

To your second question: this depends heavily on the person and the skill, I believe, including aspects of the person's prior experience (whether supporting or clashing with the new skill), the person's aptitude for the skill, the complexity of the skill, and likely more elements besides.

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Leradny Since: Jan, 2001
#16: Aug 23rd 2014 at 8:46:52 PM

It's harder to learn something new because an expert performing a skill isn't even the same as that exact same person PRACTICING that skill.

In performance you try to hide mistakes. In rehearsals you tend to stop and iron out problems as best you can. Which is why learning takes such a long time. There's more mistakes (like playing the wrong chord entirely) that you can't hope the audience doesn't notice (like not being staccato on a phrase in the middle).

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#17: Aug 24th 2014 at 7:07:11 PM

Is there to avoid getting frustrated with learning a skill?

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Leradny Since: Jan, 2001
#18: Aug 24th 2014 at 7:08:32 PM

There's no way to keep from getting frustrated at some point. Just keep practicing and taking feedback if you genuinely want to get better at something, and you will.

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