Five Nights at Freddy's

Phone Guy could be a Red Herring, even after the main character discovers he's actually dead. Maybe the real murderer could even have been sabotaging guards who got too close to him for a while, including Phone Guy, so that the animatronics would off them.

Some theories for the 3rd game to solve it in a mainly naturalistic way as opposed to a supernatural way. They assume the following:

1. The location is the same as the 1st game.

Phone Guy didn't die in the first game. He knew about BOTH the escape location and how to use the suit costume hybrids. The fact that the robots were super aggressive on night 4's audio (even more so than normal) is awfully suspicious.

If the theory that Scott is a When They Cry fan is correct, then he had to have known about the Faking the Dead solution used in at least three of the murders ( all of them enacted by the culprit nonetheless). Therefore, Phone Guy escaped being caught and hid in the escape section. This fits with "Purple Man" destroying the robots near its location in the mini games of the 3rd game.

Plus there's this key piece of evidence which is absolutely nessecary to be certain someone is dead in a horror or mystery work. Never Found the Body.

The kids inside the robots of the first game weren't fully dead. This is a naturalistic theory explaining the robots in such a way that FNAF complies with Knox's 2nd, or at least the interpretation that allows the existance of the supernatural so long as they do not commit any crimes ( the interpretation used by When They Cry).

Puppet found the children as they were mortally wounded/dying/in a near death state. Medically they were screwed, so Puppet did the best thing it could think of....inter the children inside the animatronics, thus "give life" in an attempt to save their lives via a bio AI interface. The process is similar to how dreadnaughts in War Hammer 40000 or some of the older robots used by Dr. Eggman. Therefore, the children didn't "fully die" until the robots were dismantled by "Purple Man".

With those two combined, we get....

Phone Guy is Purple Man and he died both a Karmic Death and an Ironic Death. This solution is compliant with Knox's 1st.

edited 15th Apr '15 11:55:32 AM by magnum12

That is not at all how Dreadnaughts or robitization works. Not trying to break down your theory (though I do disagree), just saying your comparison wasn't accurate.

Problem with that theory is that

1) Safe locations are, at the time, supposed to be sealed up 2) We hear the animatronics attack the Phone Guy 3) We assume he recorded messages at the rate of 1 per night

IMO it sounds like the 4th night record seems to be something made out of concern for his life, since he does ask to check the suits at the backstage and how different it sounds to other nights.

On that note, will the mystery of what the fuck was with Night Five's tape ever be answered?

I think I can counter those points.

If the safe spots exist, then there intrinsically must be a way for a human to access them whether through an alternate hidden route, secret door, or what not that the robots would have no way of using. Knox's 3rd only relates to such things when it comes to the crime itself (such as a "closed room" murder). Phone Guy knows about the safe spots, therefore he must also know how to access them as well.

If the audio implies an attempted attack, how do we know it was actually successful? I'd say Phone Guy managed to escape by virtue of being quicker/more agile than the robots. Never Found the Body plays into this as one cannot validly write a character off as dead until we actually see the body. Its a pretty ancient trope. ESPECIALLY true for the horror and mystery genre.

The audio does indeed imply concern for a situation that has turned bad. Checking the suits seems like a contingency more than anything else. If Phone Guy is the killer, then he's playing the facade of being innocent. Perhaps the near brush with death is what escalated the killer's declinging sanity/paranoia/desperation, leading to the dismantling seen in the 3rd game.

I think I can explain the audio for the 5th night.

The role of the 5th nights audio is Foreshadowing, or even as a Chekhov's Gun. Possibly for The Puppet and its agenda.

edited 15th Apr '15 3:49:09 PM by magnum12

That mystery was solved a long time ago, actually. It's a jumbled up, distorted quote from an Autobiography of an Indian Yogi, that talks about Metal being alive.

Knowing how to use the hybrid suits would do absolutely nothing for Phone Guy. They specifically say there are two of them, and the heavy implication is they are Golden Freddy and Golden Bonnie. The former, obviously, wasn't getting anyone shoved in, the latter is in a room the animatronics can't enter (and he's also clearly empty when Purple Guy gets to him). The suits the animatronics shove you in are normal suits that don't have retracting parts.

And it mattering whether or not Phone Guy knows where the safe room is depends on whether or not running away from and evading all the animatronics is even possible. No evidence for this, but the fact that Mike apparently can't reach the door would strongly suggest it isn't.

It's a logical fallacy to say that because Scott may like a certain game that uses a plot twist he'll use said plot twist.

I might take "Never found the body" to be a good point if this wasn't a series where we didn't see pretty much anything. Never saw Fright Guard live, never saw the kids get killed, never saw the Bite of '87. We never actually saw Phone Guy.

Also, by the third game Scott was being very blatant about everything else, why would he suddenly decide to go so subtle catching the answer required blatantly ignoring what they game indicates happened? I'd think if he wanted it to be Phone Guy, he'd show it.

edited 15th Apr '15 7:12:56 PM by greenwings

In any case there were enough audio cues in Phone Guy's last call to suggest he was cornered by Foxy, Bonnie, and Freddy.

And Chica... I Think?

You hear Foxy's banging, Freddy's song, Golden Freddy's moan, and the groaning that can be either Bonnie or Chica in the Night 4 phone call.

Both Bonnie and Chica do that human-like groaning if they get into your room (by that point you are screwed). It's very likely all 5 animatronics caught up to him at that point....

Phone Guy likely worked as a Night Guard weeks before that considering the fact that he said that he was going to work as a Night Guard in the new location (FNAF 1) in FNAF 2. Mike only works for 1 week.

Considering that it's very likely that the animatronics were using completely different tactics on him after all that time to catch him. In this came all rushing him at once worked.....

x5 I believe the term you are looking for is Fan Wank.

Something to consider for the movie. The Marionette was still around in FNAF 1. The FNAF 2 sequences took place in the first game's play area and on top of that there was a picture in the FNAF 1 office of Bonnie popping up out of the Prize Box

On the topic of The Movie, how would it even...work? Like, what would the structure even be like? It has a lot of potential to be a good horror/mystery movie, because Scott himself is going to help work on it, and because of the loads of Nightmare Fuel and interesting lore the games have to offer, but how would a movie adaptation even play out? I'm not sure how it could exactly work, due to the more unique aspects and mechanics of the games.

I feel like most of the mechanics would be pretty transferable but I'm going to assume that they'd ditch the "limited power" idea.

It worked in the game but I'm guessing that the Willing Suspension of Disbelief which held up in the games because, you know, there had to be a way to lose, just wouldn't stick with cinema audiences.

Done right, it could be a decent movie. This could be a pretty gore hound flick if we get a ton of people getting stuffed into costumes.

Here's an awesome animation made by Hot Diggedy Demon:

They could do quick scenes of previous guards being stuffed into the suits by the animatronics.

I'd be satisfied as long as they keep the character of the animatronics consistent: mistrustful of adults, caring of children, and full of hatred for the security guards, no thanks to Purple Man.

The flip between anthro (how they see themselves) and animatronic (real life) is pretty hilarious. And of course, it subverts their friendliness and takes the usual dark route.

I can't unsee Freddy with a Southern accent now.

I can't decide if the idea that they just want to be friends makes the game less creepy or a whole lot more.

That cartoon is REMARKABLY well animated for a fan creation.

Also, its goddamn terrifying even if it doesn't make sense at the end...

It's Hot Diggedy Demon. He's been animating for years.

The more I think about that ending, the less is makes sense. Freddy himself acknowledges that Mike is a human male at the beginning. And suddenly he think Mike is an endoskeleton at the end? Creepy ass twist, but doesn't make sense on further watchings.

It's suggested that, with Mike suddenly establishing that he's actually an animatronic, Fred doesn't have any reason not to believe that it applies to practically everyone on the staff.

edited 20th Apr '15 11:24:02 PM by Demonfly