Does Not Illustrate: Fantastic Caste System

The image on Fantastic Caste System doesn't have any graphics. Like, none at all: the image is a screenshot of a page of text, with zero graphical elements to it. I think that should be pulled for not being an illustration.

A possible replacement◊.

^ I have no idea what I'm looking at. I think that no picture is better than the current though.

Suggestion is worse than the current.

If the labels were clearer and easier to see, it would be better than the currant, but since they aren't, the figures look like they're just from different units, no different castes

Current does not have pictures but there is some visual information; I don't think the suggestion (or nothing) is better.

Keep Until Better Image Suggested, the current indicates castes while the suggestion doesn't.

Current is eye-bleedingly horrible. Suggestion just as bad. Voting BUPKIS.

Perhaps the districts from The Hunger Games? [1]◊

edited 22nd Jul '14 7:32:59 PM by peasant

The Hunger Games suggestion is the best of the lot by far. Illustrates the trope perfectly.

"Perfectly"?

Looks like a collection of professions. How does that illustrate the trope?

Aren't castes supposed to be vertical? I don't see that in Hunger Games.

I agree. The Hunger Games example, to me at least, is just a collection of district specialties and industry, rather than a caste system.

I vote Keep Until Better.

edited 23rd Jul '14 12:32:30 AM by maxwellsilver

Or the Magic is Might statue◊ from Harry Potter?

Hunger Games is good because it looks like a ranking. Harry Potter is better because the one on the top with the wand is being held on the backs of the others.

I disagree with the Harry Potter suggestion in 14. That just looks like one group of people oppressing another; which has nothing to do with a caste system, real or fantastical. You can still be oppressed by someone else without it turning into a caste system.

As for the comment that the Hunger Games image simply looks like a collection of professions - is that not the point? Their role and field of work is determined based solely on race/where they live, and consequently being systemically segregated from one another (into said districts) for it. As for the social hierarchy thing, I don't think it's strictly necessary as that's more a social class thing.

No to The Hunger Games, that seems more like a job list to me. Harry Potter reminds me a bit of some communist flypapers, but it's more about oppression than castes.

I like the Harry Potter one the most

Look at District 1. Does "Luxury" sound like a Job type? Make a collage of the first three districts and put them next to 11, 12, and one other of whatever you choose.

I thought that was providing stuff that's considered luxury, like how power is about providing (electrical) power. And it looks more like a numbered link than any sort of ranking.

Not too high about the Harry Potter one. As mentioned, looks more like general oppression than a caste system.

Just for clarification, what is your definition of a caste?

I've always understood it to refer to a culture where people's lifestyle, occupation and role in society are inherited and determined by one's heritage in a fashion that is strictly regulated and enforced by said society; and that social mobility is strictly forbidden. So, for instance, if you are born a member of Tribe A, you are a warrior; no ifs, ands or buts. Likewise, if you were borne in Tribe B, you must become a religious leader; Tribe C, an artist; etc. And that any attempt to break that tradition or change one's role (e.g. a member from Tribe C trying to become a religious leader, or a member of Tribe A trying to leave the warrior lifestyle to pursue artistry) is a punishable offense.

Moreover, a caste does not necessarily have to mean that one particular social group must be ranked higher than the other in order to qualify.

edited 23rd Jul '14 6:32:24 AM by peasant

The image doesn't relay that you can't just change jobs.

I didn't mean ranking as necessarily a vertical one in this context, but as a fixed system of where you belong.

edited 23rd Jul '14 6:36:51 AM by AnotherDuck

Cool. Just checking that my interpretation - especially in how it pertains to this trope - is accurate. I agree it is not absolutely perfect; though I feel it's better than both, the current and Harry Potter one.

... is it weird that I'm impressed at how many bad suggestions we've had?

Current is bad. And while it is all text, there is still graphical data in the form of colors. That said, I wouldn't be averse to a pull... but I'm not going to push for a pull either.

First suggestion is awful. Just nonindicative.

Hunger Games is... bad. Like people said, it's just professions. I see "Luxury" on that list and I think those that provide luxury or services (like a hotel or something).

Harry Potter is a neat illustration, but still unclear. Especially at wiki size, it just looks like oppression... and honestly, I don't think of HP as an example (outside of, say, house elves but the statue looks like people).

So... yeah. I guess a very, very, very weak Keep Until Better Image Suggested.

The castes from Brave New World v.1◊

Diagram of the BNW castes