All Purpose Frozen Fanfiction Thread

My little fanfic is now complete.

That was quite fun and totally worth the two months of my spare time I spent on it. I may become addicted to fanficcing...

In the meantime, I could finally read some other fics without fearing to be influenced (I tend to have a very spongelike mind when it comes to styles and story ideas).

@spash: Because there's only one character with magic; Elsa. She's unique and nobody has ever seen anything like her before. So maybe people can be born with magic, but you've gotta set the bar pretty high.

Two characters. Don't forget Grand Pabbie. And his lines about frozen heads and hearts implied it's not too uncommon for people to get hit with ice magic in the Frozen world. Also, when Elsa's powers were revealed, the way the Duke of Weaseltown said "Sorcery!" sort of lightly implied he wasn't unfamiliar with it. And the way Grand Pabbie said "born with the magic or cursed?" implied he'd dealt with both before.

The point is, there's lots of evidence that magic isn't completely unheard of in the Frozen-verse. It's just that Elsa's is unusually powerful / rare.

edited 12th Apr '15 3:55:08 PM by spashthebandragon

The Grand Pabbie is an animated stone. Yes, that's magical, but it also implies longevity. Without knowing more about her, that's going to be very awkward because we don't know what timescale she operates on. It could be every bit as geologic as she herself is.

Also, sorcery is a trope that exists in the modern world despite the fact magic does not, so far as we know, exist, nor has it ever. That outburst implies exactly nothing.

I literally have no idea what you're trying to say here.

As for the Duke's outburst, it implies something because he didn't yell, "Holy crap, magic is real!" He yelled, "Sorcery! I knew there was something dubious going on here!" As in, he'd suspected that there might be magic involved. That does imply the Duke had heard about magic before and didn't believe it was fictional prior to seeing Elsa's.

According to the script, Grand Pabbie is "as old as the Earth itself". I don't know whether that's a turn of phrase, but I made it literal in my fanfic.

My fanfic originally elaborated a bit on the trolls' backstory and such, but then I cut it out because I realized nobody actually gives a crap about the trolls. Really, something I've been doing while revising my fic is trying to make it less "Fanoney" and adhere more to the actual, concrete continuity.

Like, in this chapter, I originally had Elsa explicitly say that she didn't need to eat food, which is how she would've survived her plan to live in the Ice Palace all her life, but for the rewrite I changed it to another character speculating on whether she needs to eat food or not. I dunno, I guess I just prefer ambiguity to concrete facts.

Actually, I was going to rewrite it so that Elsa could just make "ice-food" to eat, but then I felt like if she could do that, Elsa would be eating ice-food all the time (I know I would be...) and I was too lazy to go back and add that detail in at random places in the fanfic.

I find it is usually better not to explain things too much, especially when magic is involved, as it tends to constrict things too much (that's probably why the authors removed the explanation of the origins of Elsa's powers).

The Frozenverse seem to have some knowledge and acceptance of magic, as Anna did not seem too surprised to discover the trolls, and Elsa's powers are rather quickly accepted (once she controls them, at least). And I often wonder if they were more or less publicly known by the castle staff before Anna's accident.

In my fic, I said that a trusted few staff members knew, including Kai and Gerda, and the rest all assumed Elsa had some kind of terminal illness.

The parents had reduced the staff to what I think would essentially be a skeletal crew after the accident, to minimize the number of people who might face potential exposure to Elsa's powers.

There was a nice entry on the movie's WMG page that pointed out a lot of evidence to support the potential of a rumor floating around that Elsa had Victorian Novel Disease.

edited 14th Apr '15 1:37:50 PM by dmcreif

I remember this idea (it's still on the WMG page by the way) and I liked it alot (I even alluded briefly to it in my fanfic).

I will have to rewatch the scene where Elsa reveals her powers to see if Kai and Gerda seem to have a different reaction than the others

Even if Kai and Gerda look totally shocked during that scene, you could write it off as "Oh crap, Elsa blew her cover!" shock instead of "Oh crap, Elsa has magic!" shock.

Yeah, I don't expect them to look completely blasé ("Hey, look, Elsa froze the room again"), but maybe there would be a little difference from the other guests in their expressions.

I think that the author of the Secret Passages fanfic seems to have a good grasp on how to fill in plot holes during the movie in the most recent four chapters as of this post, by explaining the events of the main plot through Elsa's eyes.

For instance, taking the author's chapters, while Anna is "dancing" with the Duke of Weasel Town (WESELTON!), Hans approaches Elsa and tries to ask for a courtship. But Elsa turns him down because he seems to her like a pushover. Actually, strike that, she seems very suspicious of Hans from the start, from that moment where the bishop is chanting in Norse. As in, she looks at him and there's something about him that seems off. The scene where Elsa turns him down is put in to explain why later, when Hans reveals his true colors to Anna, he mentions that "no one was getting anywhere" with Elsa.

The author then suggests that while Anna is singing "Love Is an Open Door" with Hans, Elsa is mingling with visitors and strikes a conversation with Rapunzel (this author seems to be someone on the "Rapunzel is a cousin to Anna and Elsa" bandwagon).

The author thinks, that when Elsa asks "May I talk to you, please? Alone?" she intends to take Anna aside and privately reveal her ice powers to her there, away from Hans and everyone else. Before that one hand gesture exposes her powers to the world, the author believes that Elsa was heading for the door to leave the ballroom because she knew she was about to lose control of her powers.

He also creates his own timeline for what Elsa is doing between the end of "Let It Go" and when Anna shows up at the Ice Palace. Among other things, she makes and eats an icicle. She also has a one-sided conversation with an ice-sculpture of Anna. But she doesn't spend the entire time in the ice palace. At one point, she leaves the ice palace and tries to forage for berries down below, but is forced to retreat when some wolves (presumably the same ones that Anna and Kristoff fight off in the movie). During "For the First Time In Forever (Reprise)", the author believes Elsa is so busy freaking out that she doesn't hear Anna's side of the duet.

The author also believes that Marshmallow's not mean, just overprotective of Elsa. And you have to give him a lot of credit for interpreting what Elsa is thinking through analysis of her facial expressions while she's fighting the Duke of Weselton's guys. To the author, Elsa goes from frightened to upset after the first guy's arrow is intercepted, to outright furious by the time Hans gets to her after having cut off Marshmallow's leg.

None of that is a "plot hole." That's just adding extra details to the story.

He writes it in a way that it almost feels in-canon. Don't know if I agree with the guy about Elsa attempting suicide after that last line of "Do You Want To Build a Snowman?"

Yeah, Elsa's too selfless to actually try that.

I mean, in my fic, she does mention considering it, but she would never want to do something that hurt her family.

Elsa probably entertained suicidal thoughts here and there, but I don't think she ever seriously considered it until she reaches her Despair Event Horizon with Hans on the fjord, and even then, it's more of a suicide by inaction.

I really like the way you "marry" the Mass Effect and Frozen 'verses in your fic. Especially now as we've found out why Elsa is going to be joining up with Shepard most likely. And I like in-depth world-building, especially with series as so far removed as these two as it makes them not feel like a completely random crossover.

edited 16th Apr '15 8:27:28 AM by ObsidianFire

Thank you. I do try. In future chapters, I will be elaborating on magic and the like, and it's place in this very technological universe.

Some things that are handwaved with technobabble in Mass Effect are gonna be explained with "It's magic." in the fic.

I now have a terrible image of the Normandy running dark for weeks on end, with Elsa dropping by the engine room every ten hours and freezing the heat sinks...

Because she could probably do that.

edited 16th Apr '15 5:23:18 PM by Night

I just like Hans's part in the new chapter 1 of spash's work. I'm like, "Oh, Hans, you are so full of shit, man. Do you really think someone will buy your story now? You had a lot of plot holes in your cover story."

edited 16th Apr '15 5:57:47 PM by dmcreif

Thanks. At first I actually wasn't gonna include Hans in the fic at all, but at some point I realized he was hilarious and I ended up having a lot of fun writing his scenes (even though he contributes barely anything to the actual plot...).

...or she can just give them a flurry, and they will never overheat.

...actually, that works for the weapons too, doesn't it?

Possibly? I suspect the amount of heat they generate is too great to be dealt with that way; keeping a snowman cool is one thing, keeping down the kind of heat that results in instantly turning metal components to liquid or even plasma that's blown out of the front of your gun if not sunk is quite another. Still, it's probably valid if you picture Elsa running around with a Locust or Carnifex that never pops its heat sink.