Ah, that makes much more sense. I can definitely see that.
Arkham Knight: I bet you're wondering who I am, right? 
Batman: Not really.
He also seems to basically be a Card-Carrying Villain, what with him mocking Batman for his heroism.
I wonder what they're going to do with Mr. Freeze. For some reason, I kind of hope we get a real conclusion to his and Nora's story - that guy should have at least one happy ending in at least one continuity, after all (well, about as happy as it's going to get with him, anyway. He's still probably going to end up in prison for the rest of his life).
On the one hand, this series is typically too bleak for that - on the other hand, while all the other villains have a lot of comic shades in them that show them off in their bleakest (in some cases even bleaker than the comics, like Calendar Man), Freeze notably doesn't. Or at least, he's a lot less of a nasty person than he could be (he stands out as being much nicer than his comics counterpart, being interestingly enough a bit more comparable to BTAS Freeze) - even his freezing was shown to be totally reversible in Cold Cold Heart whereas it's usually depicted as instadeath even if you get hit by it a little bit. In both Origins and City Freeze's story stood out as the one story that wasn't totally irredeemable. As Batman said, he's better than this - all he needs is a way out that sticks.
And it'd be nice for Freeze's story to appear as the one sign of hope in an increasingly dark world as Gotham falls apart around them.
That said, I wouldn't it past them to give him what looks like a happy ending only to ruthlessly snatch it from him DCAU style.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
The Fastest Man Alive
For a given definition of "ending", he did have one in the DCAU. Nora was cured at the end of Batman & Mr. Freeze: Sub-Zero.
He just went on to have different problems in the future, involving being just a head.
Arkham Knight will turn out to be The Joker. Because all of the Big Bads in this series turn out to be The Joker.
This series made me sick of the Joker.
Remember in Knightfall, when Bane was the Big Bad, and The Joker was just essentially a Side Quest?
Mad Scientist Wannabe
I thought the big bad in that was Jean-Paul Valley's shattered mind?
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
Bane was the Big Bad. Jean Paul Valley's brain problems were the Bigger Bad.
Mad Scientist Wannabe
No, that pretty much took over the story once Bane was defeated.
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
The Fastest Man Alive
It's also not actually part of Knightfall.
What is commonly known as "Knightfall" is really a trilogy. Knightfall, which leads up to Jean-Paul Valley becoming Batman, Knightquest, which is his time as Batman, and KnightsEnd, which is where he starts to lose his mind and Bruce comes back to Gotham.
Bane is the Big Bad of Knightfall, but he's out of the plot in the next two parts.
See? I was right. 
I think Shondra is more Bruce's One True Love, even more than Talia or Selina.
I'm really sick of the Joker especially once he appeared in Arkham Origins
Is this a Jo Jo reference?
Yeah, the Joker is far too overdone in this series. He's the main villain of Asylum, steals Hugo Strange's spotlight in City, was The Chessmaster behind Origins, ends up having a major role in Origins Blackgate, and then ends up being the central antagonist in the Suicide Squad film despite the fact that the plot has absolutely nothing to do with him.
For goodness' sake, there are other villains. It's "Batman's Rogues Gallery" not "Joker and his Backup Singers".
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I think the Joker is one of the most fascinating fictional characters ever created.
A friend has been lending me a lot of comics lately, most of them Batman. Do you know which stories are consistently the strongest? Joker stories. The first really great Batman story was the Joker's first appearance. His scenes in The Long Halloween are one of my favourite parts of the book. His presence in A Death in the Family elevates that story to one of my personal favourites so far.
Yeah, he has a tendency to steal the spotlight. But the reason he's so successful at it is because he's the most interesting part of the Batman mythos.
And really, the throughline of the Arkham series has been Batman's relationship to the Joker. Arkham Asylum: their feud is at its peak. Arkham City: their conflict draws to a conclusion. Arkham Origins: their first confrontation. Arkham Knight: Batman must face a world without the Joker as a balancing force. Even hanging onto the Arkham name points toward it. It's difficult to separate the images of Arkham and the Joker, as he's its most notorious inmate, and likely the craziest of Batman's foes.
Yeah, he turned out to be the Big Bad of Origins, but Origins is also, in my opinion, one of the best Batman stories out there, and easily the strongest plot of the three games. The marketing shouldn't have pushed the idea that Black Mask was behind everything so hard, but there's nothing wrong with the actual story.
I don't want him to come back. At the same time, I think it's naive to think that he won't have any presence in the game, and indeed, he should. The Joker is dead. That's a big deal and I have faith enough in Rocksteady to believe that they want to tell that story, not bring him back. But people saying "Oh, he's the Arkham Knight" are just being jaded and cynical, and it makes me sad.
I tend to find that, especially as time went on, Joker's comic stories were more hit or miss as his character started to get Flanderized more and more - which started pretty early in the Dark Age and has pretty much hit its peak now. But other than that I generally agree.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Joker only truly annoyed me in Origins when he pulled a complete Hijacked by Ganon on the plot. The fact that he was the closing act instead of The Heavy allowed me to still appreciate his role in City. Dying at the end of the game certainly helped. I don't particular care about the detail of Batman living in a post-Joker world, I just want it to stay post-Joker.
Keep Hope Alive
I thought Origins had the worst story.
I mean come on you fight Deathstroke an hour or two in? And never see him again save for a brief cameo?
Stand Fast, Stand Strong, Stand Together
The only thing that bugged me about Origins' story, specifically (there was a whole lot that bugged me about other things), was the side quests, which I felt were surprisingly uninvolved.
Origins still has, imo, the best version of Bane of any non-comic adaptation to date.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
I'll never forget when Alfred stopped Bruce from rescuing Talia and forced him to Protocol 10 instead. And the first Scarcrow instance in Asylum.
Rocksteady was really good at making you pity him, even though you were technically the scariest thing in town.
edited 17th Nov '14 11:39:38 PM by FOFD
Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
Scarecrow was so awesome in Asylum. He's the biggest thing I've been looking forward to in Knight: I've kind of missed the guy.
He still has my favorite interview recordings in that game, and maybe in the whole series. I do miss his original voice, though.
edited 17th Nov '14 11:52:36 PM by KnownUnknown
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
I know Joker will have an impact on the plot in Knight.
I just don't want it to be "Surprise! I was alive all along! And now for my latest plan: trying to poison/blow up Gotham!"
Prediction: Cameo by Superman
Cuz I couldn't think of a better thing to call him at the time. I really shoulda called him a try-hard instead.
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