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heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#1251: Mar 14th 2016 at 9:44:47 PM

I don't know how to put this so I'm going to be utterly blunt about it: I don't like the story. At all.

I'm not talking about your guys's stories. They're great. Especially Eva's because he made Roxas into a goddamn beast with Xion being on her way on to being Kenshiro.

I'm talking about the canon story. I think that with the dumbest retcons (mainly from 3D) ruined it.

I used to like it but as I grew up and started to like older, manlier Shonen anime I started to realize that the story was dumb (not that the stuff I was liking was smart all the time.) and really cheesy to the point where I couldn't stand it. I can handle it well now.

I honestly think that Street Fighter The Movie with Jean Claude Van Damme and Raul Julia has a better story. That's right.

Oh and does anyone take the Kingdom Hearts cast seriously when they fight wearing clothes (Mainly Riku and Roxas when he's in Twilight Town hanging out with Hayner, Pence and Olette.) like they got them from Hot Topic?

You gotta start somewhere.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#1253: Mar 15th 2016 at 5:20:27 AM

Stuff like Fist of the North Star and the early parts of Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure, which is how I'm writing my fanfic.

You gotta start somewhere.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#1254: Mar 15th 2016 at 6:06:25 AM

Well, how are we defining "manlier" in relation to Kingdom Hearts?

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heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#1255: Mar 15th 2016 at 9:22:35 AM

That really depends on what you mean by that.

I was going to have the SI for my fic act like an something of an adult to Riku's flustered teenager and Sora's ditzy man-child.

An actual responsible (or you know the closest thing to one) adult who is actually completely annoyed (it almost goes to outright hate) how everyone outside of his immediate circle of is acting like a teenager and how their going to defeat the New Organization XIII or the Legions of Chaos like your typical Shonen protagonist, not really taking it seriously. And when you combine this with what he went through and the fact that he regularly curb-stomps them by straight up fighting them, cheating or them being dumb and the SI taking advantage of it just lowers his opinion of them even further. Basically becoming the Kingdom Hearts equivalent of HK-47 (or well a Pragmatic Hero version) also doesn't help your increasing reputation of being a total Jerkass.

Being 'manly' is quite honestly so subjective that I shouldn't have bothered.

You gotta start somewhere.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#1256: Mar 15th 2016 at 8:17:05 PM

I don't mean to be harsh, but this is starting to sound like a Hate Fic.

I mean, these are not Serious Games For Adults - they are, at most, rated E10+.

Having your Self-Insert curb-stomp the main protagonists...I feel like that might be a little much. I'd encourage more respect for them - if I'm right about the role you have planned for the Destiny Islands trio, I think they should at the very least be able to fight him on even terms.

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heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#1257: Mar 15th 2016 at 8:23:45 PM

No, when the the SI and his OC go to the academy they'll be surrounded by other OC's who do the things that make him so irritated. Like the Paladin OC I talked about, for example.

When the fanfic begins Kairi and Riku are on the front line while Sora is on shore leave.

Either way, they'll only make cameo appearances until, like, the training arc is over. And even then they won't even meet with the SI directly until like an arc or two after that.

edited 15th Mar '16 8:30:49 PM by heliosKAISER

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#1258: Mar 15th 2016 at 8:31:13 PM

I see...

Okay, what exactly is the general stance you're taking towards the series in all of this? What are you trying to achieve here?

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heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#1259: Mar 15th 2016 at 9:05:12 PM

Tearing through the 'i haz a keybld, i getz to advanture wif a canon character' fan-plot so hard it will be scary while simultaneously reconstructing SI and OC fics by realizing that the Kingdom Hearts deep down when you get through the weird logic and cheesy scenes with SE-brand angst from certain FF characters and II!Riku is a combination of Shonen and JRPG tropes.

That said people can get annoyed if someone makes the same speech and fail to live up to said speech.

You gotta start somewhere.
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heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#1261: Mar 15th 2016 at 11:03:33 PM

My hacked Xbox where I had most of my arcade fighting games malfunctioned on me and I pretty mad so I decided to do something else. So I read your fanfic.

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#1262: Mar 16th 2016 at 5:06:06 PM

....but you didn't review it?

heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#1263: Mar 16th 2016 at 5:17:28 PM

If I may be so blunt, I didn't read it until now because Larxene is a major character and she's my least favorite character from the Organization XIII. I've seen her archetype (violent sadist) done so much better (Hazama from Blaz Blue, Iori Yagami from King Of Fighters and the entire casts of No More Heroes I and II) and whenever she laughs I get a headache. I am so not joking.

To be honest I fell asleep after reading it and I usually don't leave reviews to the fanfics, even the one I like unless I was asked.

edited 16th Mar '16 5:18:28 PM by heliosKAISER

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#1264: Mar 17th 2016 at 9:12:06 PM

I'll admit, one of the main reasons I love Larxene is because of the scene right before her first battle in re:COM:

Larx: "Oh, Sora, our hero~! You simply must go save the Distressed Damsel from the bad guys!"

Sora: "Thnx lady!" <goes to do so>

Larx: <kicks Sora in the gut, nabs the tragic keepsake, and dangles it in front of his face> "Just one little detail: I'm one of the bad guys!"

I mean, that's not the exact verbal exchange, but it gets the point across. It's a sort of a Love to Hate kind of thing, I guess?

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#1265: Mar 17th 2016 at 11:29:15 PM

Late to the party, but as far as making Kairi "badass," I think the key is to not make it feel forced. When I included Kairi as a major character in Antipode, my intent was less to make her a super hardcore awesome fighter, but more to explore the character dynamics between her, R Iku, Donald, and Goofy.

The thing with Kairi is that she's a character who has a LOT of room to grow. She may be sweet, she may be pure of heart, and she may usually carry herself with a sunny demeanor, but that isn't to say she's ALWAYS happy/cheery/perfect. Kairi is shown to be reckless. Kairi is shown to blame herself, suggesting some insecurities. She can be easily frustrated, and while she means well, she's not always the most tactful (let's take the raft and go, etc).

The key, I think, is to develop her naturally. Good characters are good characters and skill level should come second to the writing.

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heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#1266: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:31:07 AM

I was really brainstorming on how that Nomura is going to make her badass as a possible player character and I guess I just posted that on impulse.

I'm so glad that I set my fanfic ten years after II, so I can have a Star Trek: The Next Generation vibe with the main characters and the tone of the story being complete different.

You gotta start somewhere.
Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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#1267: Mar 19th 2016 at 12:11:31 PM

He'll probably just throw her into the fray. It worked for Sora and Riku, whose "combat training" basically amounted to playing with toy swords.

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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#1268: Mar 19th 2016 at 4:01:35 PM

Ain't no need for those scare quotes. We've all seen what those kids do for fun. A Destiny Islander tossing a ball around is more dangerous than your average malevolent spawn of darkness.

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#1269: Mar 19th 2016 at 4:57:43 PM

Personally, I'd say the girl with the jump rope runs circles around the guy.

heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#1270: Mar 19th 2016 at 9:32:38 PM

Yep.

Um, I was wondering if I could have Traverse Town be destroyed by the New Organization because of the high frequency of people there so they can make more Enigma.

You gotta start somewhere.
EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#1271: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:05:54 PM

...is Traverse Town even destructible, after Sora locked its Keyhole?

heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#1272: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:11:33 PM

Well, there are still Heartless on Traverse Town and all the New Organization need are the people not the world itself.

You gotta start somewhere.
Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
The Unknown
#1273: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:15:28 PM

They could raze the town, but the world itself would remain intact.

Basically it would be like destroying civilization on Earth, but Earth itself still exists.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#1274: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:25:02 PM

Right, I get that, it's just that the way the question was phrased brought to mind a more Earth-Shattering Kaboom-esque interpretation.

heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#1275: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:33:06 PM

[up][up]Exactly.

So, should a Monk with training as a Black Mage fight like a Shoto Clone like Ryu and Ken?

You gotta start somewhere.

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