Fantastic Four Reboot

Heimdall and Sif are siblings ?

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Cap knowing about mutants is completely irrelevant to the matter. Its that the world Cap lives in *is not a world where mutants get randomly genocided by everybody hating them*.

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You mean the world he'd want to live in, right?

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I never really liked the xmen, you know. Not because they are bad, but because they... just don't mix with the rest of the marvel universe.

Hear me out, we are talking about a universe with gamma juggenauts, super soldiers from last century, gods, a country with an army of robots, and everything else. Why the marvel people think they are ok, but the fact someone is born with powers not?

Yes, I know the marvel universe superheroes have it rough with the public opinion, but still buggs me. I prefer that the fantastic four and Spiderman get in the marvel cinematic universe, but the xmen stay whatever the heck they are. I don't want to see Hugh Jackson steal the universe and ruin it, please.

Or at least get a brief mention of Magneto, so Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch make the connection, but that's it.

edited 11th Apr '14 3:39:38 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.

Same reason why, in a world of Superheroes, Spider-Man is the only one the public is convinced is menace all because the Daily Bugle (which is about as Fair and Balanced as Fox News and MSNBC combined) said so.

But yeah, I always thought the racism was contrived but that is what happens when you create characters to be analogous of the Civil Rights Movement.

edited 11th Apr '14 5:52:04 PM by Lionheart0

The FoX-Men at least justifies it at least by showing the original discovery of Mutants was used as an scapegoat for conflicts of the Cold War, and then later aggravated when a whole lot of evidence suggested mutants killed John F Kennedy. Then in the present day Magneto is well known as a Mutant terrorist. People in that setting aren't just afraid of mutants because they're super powered individuals, but because they're a group of people who could be anyone you know and who may be plotting against you due to a prejudice you don't understand the origin of.

The Reeds family could void this if they're powers are well explained as being the result of government observed scientific phenomenon and that they have no relevance to the mutant threat.

Which then brings up the issue of the mutant race saying; hey, why do you guys get special treatment?

To which the answer is; because people don't suspect we're terrorists. Also get out of my lab; I don't want you getting terrorist germs in my 3D dog printer.

Well the FF have always been very open with the public, compared to the very secretive FF. Other than that the heroes in the Marvel Universe that are best loved tend to have a lot going for them; like Cap and Iron Man.

And you really don't think a newspaper could turn public opinion against an individual?

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I wonder if the mutant thing will come up in the FF movie.

As someone who was a diehard X-Men fan until a few years back, I always thought X-Men should get their own corner of the universe. I always thought it was detrimental to both X-Men and the MU at large to have the never-ending horde of mutants fully incorporated.

That being said... as long as the Foxverse only included the X-Men and FF, then maybe there wouldn't be so many characters that it would get out of control.

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Only "mutant" I would get my hopes up for is Namor.

edited 11th Apr '14 10:42:25 PM by nervmeister

Namor can't appear, he's a seperate property. Universal had his film rights, although they may have gone back to Marvel as far a I know.

I did read a rumour that a certain mutant would make a cameo appearance. I wonder if you can guess which mutant that would be.

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Namor is a character I really want to see in one of our two Marvel Film Settings, shame he's stuck on his lonesome.

x9 I always thought it was pretty obvious why people had a problem with the X-men. People like the Avengers were just run-of-the-mill guys like "you and me" that gained superpowers through sheer accident/luck or through science. It can be explained pretty easily.

Mutants were born with their power, which is very different. They look human but aren't the same type of human (I think the books use Homo superior or something, right?). They're not just black or white or asian or whatever but a totally different species. That's not even getting into the horror that comes with one species dying out due to the domination of a newer one as well as the Brotherhood and all that.

As for Spider-Man, as much as I love love love him, he's got two things going against him:

1. Parker Luck. I'm not entirely sure this kid isn't cursed because, seriously, his life is a hot mess. He gets caught in a lot of compromising positions while trying to stop the bad guys, so it can't really be helped.

2. The Spider part of Spider-man. The fact that he wears a full faced mask doesn't help to humanize him much. But more than that, he's much more "spider" than the other spider-people. He's long limbed, spindlely, contorts his body into odd positions (it doesn't seem like he stands on the ground often if he has an alternative like a wall or ceiling to lean/hang against), and is very quiet and sneaky when he isn't going out of his way not to be. While the other spider-people are very clearly humans with spider powers, Peter comes off more like a spider in the shape of a man at times. People kind of hate spiders...especially when their making fun of you.

That's what I figure anyway.

edited 15th Apr '14 9:35:30 AM by Notoyax17

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Except, and this has been brought up before in the comics, mutants aren't a new species. They're just mutants, humans with aberrant genetic code that gives them superpowers. The claim that they're a new species was made by Magneto and backed up by people like Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, and a whole slew of other people who have Names to Run Away from Really Fast. Even the term homo superior was made by Magneto. Beast corrected it to be homo sapiens superior, indicating that they were a sub-species at best and stressing that the "superior" part meant literally "beyond" and not "better than."

No one listened to him, despite his Ph.D.'s and small but loyal group of well-respected scientists backing him up, because by that point a few government officials were starting to run smear campaigns against mutants in the best vein of Mc Carthy. And the points they brought up were actually somewhat valid. Mutants, as mentioned, can be anyone, and can pop up at any time and blow up a city or drive a school insane or cause everything to turn blue. Since they can be anybody, they're basically unregulated biological weapons. And since their powers are apparently random, even the most seemingly harmless mutant could turn out to be capable of farting nuclear explosions that unleash a swarm of giant, mutant bees. They're terrifying, in a way that only Soviet spies and Salem witches can be.

The respected heroes are respected because everyone knows who they are, or they were at least backed by public figures. Other, non-mutant heroes who weren't backed by public figures or known public figures themselves have to either gain respect by association or wind up being unknowns to the general public. Hulk and Thor are currently basking in the afterglow given off by Captain Freaking America and Tony "Iron Liver" Stark. On the other hand, Ghost Rider and Daredevil aren't very well known in the public mind, given that most people who encounter the former are burned to a crisp/driven insane and most people who encounter the latter need to have their jaws wired shut after the beatdown he just gave them.

The public figures for mutants in the public mind are Spider-man (since no one really knows he's not a mutant), and Wolverine (because I don't think it's possible for anyone at this point to not know Wolverine; you could probably find a tribe of Africans who had never been contacted by civilization and they'd still know Wolverine). So, one public figure is a creepy crawly, sometimes framed persona non grata, and the other one is unkillable and has lots of knives, equating him to a slasher-movie villain. Yeah, they've got great PR.

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Oh good, more of this:

to look forward to.

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The reactions to this have been hysterical.

They say they want to make it serious: "These fucking idiots are pretentious and missing the point of what makes the Fantastic Four fun!"

They say it's not going to be as serious: "Ugh, so now it's gonna be a goofy slapstick comedy????"

NM

edited 24th Apr '14 1:53:52 PM by VeryMelon

The very fist plot point of the X-men was literally: People like Superheroes, people dislike mutants, so make mutant superheroes, get gradual acceptance through it.

If Marvel is not going to resolve that plot point then X-men are better off in their own little corner. It is not as if a disconnected team has no precedent even in a "shared" universe. But by leaving them as is and not resolving the first thing they set out to do, it just makes everyone look bad.

The film version of X-men readily solves this because there are no acceptable superheroes to contrast with, no tangible goal to look at, just ideals. Furthermore there is no "where was Shield after Striker/Magneto tried to commit murder on a global scale?" question. Marvel cosmology is pretty Platonic already. It has a benevolent Demiurge and a Counterearth, giving the X-men a place that prevents Captain America from stopping Bastion but does not keep them away from the Beyonder would not be especially difficult. A gradual integration of mutants into acceptance would not be too bad either, I guess. Don't know how but if paid $50 a page I'm sure I could think of something.

Actually, that John Sublime thing seemed like the right track. But of course, everyone instead focused on "Magneto's dead! Xorn!" It amazes me how Marvel introduced an unseen parasite colony that dominated life on Earth for a hundred of million years until a species finally evolved ways to defeat it, just to sweep it all under the rug! This shouldn't have been a simply All the Other Reindeer story anymore, it should have been a flat out Transhumanist one. One about the changing nature of a species against environmental factors. Easily the biggest mistake they made sense losing Transformers (not that they haven't topped it since)

But, Spider-man is a biologist right? The Fantastic Four are astronauts and one of them is apparently a master at all fields of scientific study right? Spider-man could maybe be the one to discover the sublime species and Mr. Fantastic the one to really figure it out? Maybe the film makers will see where the comics failed? (That might discount Terminus though, as it might be considered too similar to sublime)

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I wish we could get more stuff of the X-Men not trusting the Avengers and Fantastic Four, like more of them saying, "Where were you when Decimation happened and 98% of our population ceased to be?" or "Oh, you're unhappy because now you have to register what superpowers you got? Welcome to every day of our lives, part 1." I know who I'm starting to sound like, but guys like Cap have had fifty years to learn how Mutants are treated in Marvel's America and they've done nothing about it, clearly THEY can't be trusted.

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Honestly, the Earth's Mightiest Heroes Fanfic Complex Designs handles that issue best. Captain America singlehandedly deflates the anti-Mutant efforts in New York (on camera) by escorting a mutant past the mob to safety, making it quite clear that he is not pleased with what his country has come to. If that happened more often in the main Marvel universe, there'd be much less of the X-Men Bubble happening, and the issue would stretch to the rest of the books.

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The Uncanny Avengers is a great recent storyline looking at this. Cap says 'yep, we done screwed up on the mutants thing. I'm going to fix it.'

And he then makes a team with Havok as the team leader of a team of mutants and publicly liked heroes. It was a really interesting look at the problem, I really should read the end to that.

It also had Red Skull acting as a competent and believable villain.

Tim Blake Nelson will be playing the Mole Man.

Re: on the last page where someone talks about Sue Storm and Johnny Storm casting

They're probably going to make him adopted or a stepsibling of Sue. I dont' think Hollywood is that dumb that they would just make a blonde woman have a black brother for no reason.

Or interacial parents.

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