If it wasn't already counted, I give her mine too.
what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone elseHowever, Mary Poppins is not as fragile and as feminine as the trope suggests. She's more archetypal as Magical Nanny.
Similar with Eliza Doolittle. Sure, after her transformation, she's very lady-like, but she's still more of a Spirited Young Lady.
EDIT: I re-read the trope description and it says "She is always upper class". In these cases, Mary Poppins would not be a straight example. Though I think it makes the trope too narrow. I had a PM conversation with Lexii about it a while ago, and we're in agreement that Proper Lady could be also from the middle, upper-middle class (and of course any higher).
edited 6th Feb '14 4:37:52 PM by XFllo
I don't see anything suggesting that the Proper Lady is fragile. The page does say, "A Proper Lady is a gentle yet strong being," and she has "strength of mind" even if she's not physically strong. A Magical Nanny can be a Proper Lady especially one who is practically perfect in every way.
Wait... does her occupation as a subservient maidservant make any difference in her standing as "proper"?
Well, we might change that one sentence about social class from the description. As I said, I personally think it's not accurate.
I saw Mary Poppins — just the movie musical with Julie Andrews .— and she simply doesn't strike me as very close to the description (being a mother, sacrificing herself for her family, wearing a parasol and a pretty purple dress).
It might be just me though.
edited 6th Feb '14 5:33:58 PM by xfllo
Hi all, I'd say a good example would be Sally Ann Howes (as Truly Scrumptious in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang) — she's elegant, lady-like, beautiful (complete with Parasol of Prettiness), dignified (if a little chilly to begin with) and has the archetypal look, good breeding and strong moral sense. Have a peep at some images of her on google in the movie. She's also about the right age too, I'd suggest, when she appears in Chitty. I agree with Fllo on Mary Poppins - she's far too wacky for this trope. Arguably, she's not even human! And Eliza Doolittle is a construct — she's not this trope underneath, she's just aping the mannerisms/look to fulfil a bet. So I'm not sure about her either — there's something about the deceptiveness (although not her fault) of her character that doesn't sit with Proper Lady
edited 13th Feb '14 3:33:48 AM by lexii
Mary Poppins is a servant, not a "Lady".
I know, that's a very Victorian mindset, but this is after all supposed to a be a Victorian trope.
Clock is set.
I'd be okay with the OP.
OP is fine.
I also like the OP
The OP is good enough for me.
I am also fine with the OP.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.I'm responsible for OP and I still like it.
However, I really like lexii's idea of having Truly Scrumptious from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. I was googling some pics, but I found nothing suitable. It would need new screen grabs.
The clock's up and we're at the minimum consensus for the OP, so it's up and the tag is adjusted. Locking up.
Mary Poppins gets my vote.