CW's Flash

I'd really like to see a good/non-villain Killer Frost. Working with Vibe!cisco and Barry to be awesome and fight crime and stuff. but I'm a sap with a thing for found families and I don't want that friendship shattered because it would make my heart sad.

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The only problems I foresee with Cisco and Caitlin being heroes is that they might either overshadow Barry or be jobbed so they don't overshadow him.

I figure Caitlin becoming Killer Frost would probably involve a Freak Out + Driven to Villainy + With Great Power Comes Great Insanity. Maybe even a Superpowered Evil Side. While comics Caitlin is still kind of a nasty person post-accident, she has a legitimately tragic backstory and suffers from Horror Hunger (the other KF's don't have that problem, though).

It'll be interesting to see if and if so where they take the Killer Frost angle, since while genuinely goodhearted people having One Bad Day and turning "crazy Anti-Villain" is something that's not uncommon in comics, it's rare to see it outside of that.

edited 27th Mar '15 11:29:02 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

The thing is, even with a horror hunger, the way things are it's more likely for Caitlin to ask Cisco and Barry to cure her and let herself be locked up in the pipeline until they find a way to cure it. Caitlin seems much more likely to be a hero. Perhaps she has trouble controlling her powers at first, though?

Admittedly, if Cisco and Caitlin develop their own powers, I see it much more likely that they'll drift away from Barry a bit to explore them due to the whole over/underpowering issue.

I really can't imagine Caitlin suffering a trauma heavy enough to have her become a full-fledged villain in this rather light-hearted show. Again, she dealt rather well with the vaporisation of her boyfriend; if she was prone to becoming mentally unstable, we would have seen it by now I guess.

However, the Horror Hunger I reeeeaally like. She would be like Armand in Interview with a Vampire, or Ken in Tokyo Ghoul: good individuals that have to live with bad powers. The team would certainly find a way for her to sustain herself, but there would be the occasional slip,fight and angst, that would be great.

If Cold remains a major part of the show (which I hope, Wentworth Miller seems to have a blast), there could be power redundancy though. Not that it is really a problem with the two speedsters we already have, but...

(Also, Cold is another reason Caitlin could very well remain "good" as KF: there already is an evil ice-themed character)

Depends. Even outside the Horror Hunger, With Great Power Comes Great Insanity is still a definite possibility.

Remember Ronnie/Stein - despite both being goodhearted, rational people, and going to STAR Labs for help was the best option, they were too unstable to do anything but lash out. Had things not gone as smoothly as they did, the two of them turning into another dangerous metahuman was still a real possibility (to the point where the theory that Firestorm would be an antagonist in this continuity was bouncing around the net) even in contrast to their normal personalities.

And especially since Ronnie went through it, and thus there's the comparison already in place, it's possible Caitlin - should she get superpowers - could go through the same situation but with less happy results.

In fact, having her go through an arc like that but keeping her in a protagonist role (similar to how Wells is a protagonist in this season despite being the big bad) would be interesting if written well and alleviate the main problem I would have with a Killer Frost arc - that it would remove the most independently developed female protagonist in the Arrowverse from that role. Though it's also worth noting that if Firestorm does get his own spinoff, no matter what happens to Caitlin she's probably going to end up leaving The Flash for that.

edited 27th Mar '15 12:47:17 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

I don't know, I tend to see flawed or ambiguous characters being the most common victims of With Great Power Comes Great Insanity. Someone that is nice and well-adjusted like Caitlin usually avoids the trope as far as I know.

The one example of a truly good character suffering from the trope I can think of is Jean Grey, but in her case, it is because she develops Game-Breaker-level powers, not "normal" ones, that she goes crazy. And I don't think Killer Frost has ever been pictured as a major threat in the DC Universe - like Superman or Darkseid have been.

edited 27th Mar '15 1:37:59 PM by Julep

Most heroes have at least a couple villains that were decent and relatively well adjusted people before the heel turn. Tragic Monster is a thing, after all.

This show has even done so before, with Farooq.

edited 27th Mar '15 1:40:59 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Changing a topic a bit, I found this in Youtube comments:

My name is Eobard Thawne. For 15 years I was trapped in the past with only one goal: home. To do this I must create and train my most hated enemy The Flash and use his power to shatter space time and open a door to the future. I may be Harrison Wells to these fools, genius founder of Star Labs and a cripple but secretly I am something else. I am the Reverse Flash.

That comment just might make me want a Wells series.

Viewpoint Episode? Yes please.

edited 27th Mar '15 3:28:37 PM by 3of4

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That would be pretty awesome actually.

One Strip! One Strip!

If we ever get a Whole Episode Flashback that shows his origin that definitely needs to be the intro!

It would be fantastic. I love these characters so much. even the villains.

but, ugh, had one of those nerdbro neckbeards being rude about Iris at me for like five minutes until I managed to escape. the phrases "friendzone" and "those popular girl types" and "shallow heartless jerk" were used liberally.

and I'm just sitting there like, I ship two things. I ship the non-murderous characters with long and happy lives, and I ship Wells withactually being in a wheelchair because he hurt the Science Babies and that's a no. I'll go for pretty much any romantic pairing so long as they do it well. though at the moment I'm just like "friendship! friendship for everyone!"

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I have two things to say to that.

1. Barry brought this on himself by never once telling Iris. I can get how it might not have been the best idea when they were living together but he's 25. He's an adult now and he should have told her how he feels.

2. Is Iris really that popular? She's pretty but I didn't get the impression she was one of the stereotypical popular girls.

I thought the people at her reporter job didn't like Iris. Or was that just the boss?

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.

It's more that they didn't know her yet, I feel like.

and yeah. I just sort of "sorry gotta go I need to fanfic nice talking to you bye" noped on out as soon as he shut up long enough for me to get a word in edgewise.

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I think the people at the job are just annoyed because to them she only got her job because of her connection to the Flash. They probably don't consider her a serious journalist.

I don't think Iris has been working at her job for that long, so I'm not surprised if she isn't BF Fs with everyone at her work place.

Also true. and in competitive jobs like working for newspapers, it would make sense for her not to be friends with everyone yet.

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There are several reasons to dislike Iris or to find her un-engaging and not a single one of those are it. This person sounds like a pain and one that has no clue what they're talking about.

On the other hand when one is not as well versed in the study of media as say, us, people can have difficulty finding the language to describe why they dislike something. Like someone knowing something is bad but can't understand why because it wasn't part of their education to learn.

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yeah, that person is a pain, and I avoid him whenever possible. He's generally pretty well spoken, but he's one of those bitter entitled nerdbros. You know the kind, the ones that lament girls not liking them for being nerdy, but in the same breath deride any girl who doesn't kbow as much as they do/ the same things they do. le sigh.

edited 28th Mar '15 2:18:52 PM by Ellowen

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She'll be betrayed by Wells, assume he's one of the good guys, and snap.

"Show us the Galaxy Warp."

That sounds more plausible with the past few days being rewritten than if they weren't. There's still a seed of doubt in her mind from previous episodes.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

I think that while Barry seriously screwed up with the Iris-thing (but I will not go into further detail as my reasoning on that is more based on temporal mechanics than anything) I at least applaud him trying to clear things with Linda before he did it, instead of going for Iris first.

Many fictional characters would have not done that.

edited 28th Mar '15 4:48:10 PM by 3of4

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