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General Middle East & North Africa Thread:

 1 FF Shinra, Sun, 29th Dec '13 2:43:14 PM from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
Okay, every topic that has even remotely to do with the middle east keeps getting more general news put into it which removes focus from the original topic.

As such, I'm creating this thread as a general middle east and north africa topic. That means anything to do with the Arab Spring or Israel and Palestine should be kept to those threads and anything to do with more generic news (for example, new Saudi regulations on the number of foreign workers or the Lebanese elections next year, etc.) should be posted here.

I hope the mods will find this a clear enough statement of intent to open the thread.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
 2 Silasw, Sat, 4th Jan '14 6:06:12 AM from UK :( Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Globalist Bunny
So to start this of. Do people remember how Saudi Arabia gave up its UN security council seat in protest when it got elected for one? Well I just checked and after a fresh vote Jordan now has the seat.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael

"If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
 3 Marq FJA, Sat, 4th Jan '14 6:40:35 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Huh, that's news to me (maybe they deliberately glossed over it in domestic newspapers?). How much time passed between the Saudi refusal and Jordan's nomination?
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 4 Silasw, Sat, 4th Jan '14 6:58:20 AM from UK :( Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Globalist Bunny
I only found out because I checked The Other Wiki. Which lists the first election as being on the 17th of October and the second on the 6th of December, though considering how rarely the General Assembly meet this may be the first time they met since October.

Here's the UN website bit on the relevant part of the General Assembly meeting. [1]

The Assembly then turned to its agenda items on elections. Delegates heard that after the 17 October election of Chad, Chile, Lithuania, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia as non-permanent Security Council members, the Permanent Representative of Saudi Arabia had subsequently indicated that his country would not be in a position to assume its seat on the Council.

After one round of voting, the General Assembly elected Jordan to serve as a non-permanent member of the Security Council for a two-year term beginning 1 January 2014.

Jordan didn't run in the first round, only declaring their candidacy after Saudi Arabia declined. So I'm wondering who had the idea of Jordan going for it.

Edit: I just checked, and Saudi Arabia is the only Arab member of the Asia-Pacific group to never sit on the council. Jordan has sat twice before (same as Lebanon and Iraq and 1 and a half less than Syria). Interesting.

edited 4th Jan '14 7:11:29 AM by Silasw

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael

"If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
 5 FF Shinra, Sat, 4th Jan '14 2:36:09 PM from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
As soon as KSA refused, I knew it'd go to Jordan. They're an ally of both the Saudis and the Americans, and thus act as an acceptable compromise by both sides. Allows Saudia to say they defied the US and the US to get an Arab member in good standing with the US onto the council.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
 6 Greenmantle, Sat, 4th Jan '14 2:42:39 PM from Albion Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
[up]

They're an ally of both the Saudis and the Americans, and thus act as an acceptable compromise by both sides.

And Jordan is a long-term and respected ally of the UK as well, up to the point of them receiving our old Challenger 1 tanks and tank transporters.
 7 Deviant Braeburn, Sat, 4th Jan '14 3:14:07 PM from Dysfunctional California
 8 Marq FJA, Sat, 4th Jan '14 5:22:05 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Apparently, one of our "esteemed" Shura Council members has proposed that all Friday sermons by the imams of both the Grand Mosque in Mecca and the Prophet's Mosque in Medina should both be pre-written and be presented for government approval well in advance. Note that this is nothing more than hearsay at this point, which is actually par for the course in Saudi Arabianote .

"Outrageous" would be putting it mildly; if anything could ignite the spark of persistent Arab Spring-style unrest in Saudi Arabia, it would be this government move actually passing into law and the public catching wind of it.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 9 Quag 15, Sat, 4th Jan '14 5:47:37 PM from Portugal Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Everyone will become one with me (^し^)
Politics interfering with Islam. That will go over so well.
 10 Marq FJA, Sat, 4th Jan '14 6:52:55 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
It doens't help that a lot of people here are stewing over the fact that the government immediately gave asylum to former Tunisian dictator Ben Ali, infamous for his extremely anti-religious domestic policies, when European neighbours refused to let the plane carrying him and his family into their borders. The cradle of Islam harboring an unambiguous enemy of Islam after he was overthrown by the people for, among other reasons, his tryannical anti-Islamism? That's a very big black stain on the nation's honour.

edited 4th Jan '14 6:53:10 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 11 Silas W, Sat, 4th Jan '14 8:21:21 PM from UK :( Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Globalist Bunny
Isn't the Yemany dictator also hold up in Saudi Arabia after they brokered a deal where he stood down?
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael

"If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
 12 FF Shinra, Sat, 4th Jan '14 10:17:57 PM from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
What justification is being given for messing with the mosque messaging?
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
 13 Pipping Fool, Sun, 5th Jan '14 2:00:37 AM from Sydney, The Vivid City Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Dazed and Confused
[up]

I'm guessing the same as it's always been regardless of religion.

"The Divine Right of Kings" bullfuckery.
The darling of darlings
 14 Greenmantle, Sun, 5th Jan '14 2:09:09 AM from Albion Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
[up][up] By the sounds of it, no reason will be given or expected.

[up]

Even in explicitly non-religious republics, like the USSR or Maoist China?

edited 5th Jan '14 2:10:18 AM by Greenmantle

 15 Pipping Fool, Sun, 5th Jan '14 2:18:53 AM from Sydney, The Vivid City Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Dazed and Confused
[up]

Wait, you're telling me the cult of Mao and Stalin/Lenin was a farce?
The darling of darlings
 16 Greenmantle, Sun, 5th Jan '14 2:26:30 AM from Albion Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
[up] No, I'm asking if you regard the Cult of Personality that happened there as a form of "The Divine Right of Kings".
 17 Pipping Fool, Sun, 5th Jan '14 2:29:20 AM from Sydney, The Vivid City Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Dazed and Confused
[up]

And my reply was just another way of saying "Yes it is"

Maybe I should have used the Not So Different pothole to get across that much more clear.

edited 5th Jan '14 6:50:58 PM by PippingFool

The darling of darlings
 18 Marq FJA, Sun, 5th Jan '14 4:43:38 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Isn't the Yemany dictator also hold up in Saudi Arabia after they brokered a deal where he stood down?
Last I heard, he took refuge in the United Arab Emirates.

[up][up] It's pretty much the same, just replace "divine" and "king" with "inviolable"/"inalienable"/"absolute" and "dictator"/"tyrant"/"autocrat". Or in other words, it's the same difference between hereditary dictatorships purporting themselves to be republics and actual hereditary monarchies — i.e. effectively just a cosmetic one, rather than a difference of substance.

edited 5th Jan '14 4:45:40 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
John Kerry is open to Iran's involvement in the Syria peace talks.

In addition, America and Iran both thing the interim deal will be implemented within a month.

 20 Deviant Braeburn, Sun, 5th Jan '14 9:35:25 PM from Dysfunctional California
The situation in Iraq also doubles as Arab Spring stuff, since the Sunnis are protesting en masse as well.

It appears Lebanon is heading close to its own war.

 22 Greenmantle, Mon, 6th Jan '14 12:21:02 AM from Albion Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
This potential civil war, at least, is easier to understand: Shia vs Sunni due to neighboring Syria stoking sectarian violence.

 24 Greenmantle, Mon, 6th Jan '14 1:34:02 AM from Albion Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
[up] ...but what will the Christian minorities do, along with the Druze? Remember Syria occupied part of Lebanon last time...

edited 6th Jan '14 1:34:29 AM by Greenmantle

They'll probably fight as well.

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