Hi
Titles crowner's hooked.
ok guys, both items are in the red. If you think up better titles, please put them in the crowner.
edited 12th Jun '14 4:48:18 PM by tryrar
Raven Wilder
Y'know, we might have better luck if we changed this from a character trope to a relationship trope; something like Sleuth Dates Cop.
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
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That... That could be the solution.![[awesome]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/minis/award_star_gold_3.png "[awesome]"){kind=small}
Not keen on the name, but I like where you're going with this ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Hi
That would definitely help things...I don't mind Sleuth Dates Cop.
Sunday votes bump!
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
8:2 for Sleuth Dates Cop, all others in red. Looks like we're gonna have a runaway success with this one!
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Raven Wilder
In an earlier crowner, we agreed on how to change the definition, and the current rename crowner has Sleuth Dates Cop winning by a significant margin. Does that mean it's finally time to rewrite/rename this trope?
edited 30th Jun '14 10:09:52 AM by RavenWilder
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
I don't think we need to wait on the rename crowner being called to start drafting the new definition.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Aye, in fact it's better to rewrite the description before choosing the new name.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Hi
I'm going to go ahead and call it for Sleuth Dates Cop.
Eh, I'll implement that once the description is arranged.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Raven Wilder
Okay, gonna give this a try:
Add romance to the mix, and the whole thing gets cranked up a notch.
When Sleuth Dates Cop, expect the couple to go back-and-forth between helping each other with their work and getting in each other's way. Sometimes they'll have a Friend on the Force situation going on, where the cop provides the sleuth with information about a case, maybe even with access to the crime scene, and the sleuth, after discovering a culprit, will let the cop make the arrest. Other times, however, the cop is worried sick that their significant other will get hurt or killed one of these days, and try to convince their partner to give up their sleuthing ways. It's not uncommon for the cop to come to the rescue when the sleuth gets in over their heads, resulting in a Rescue Romance.
In some cases, the cop isn't even aware the person they're dating is an independent sleuth, forcing the sleuth to act like they're just really interested in their partner's work so they can get information to fuel their own investigation. Expect this secret to put a big strain on the relationship, with a dramatic confrontation when the cop inevitably finds out.
While this sort of relationship can theoretically exist in a Cop Show, most often the sleuth is the lead character and the cop is their Love Interest. As such, we're usually not meant to agree with the cop's objections to the sleuth's involvement in the case, and if the relationship goes on long enough, the cop will eventually come around.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Perfect.
That is the trope exactly.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Hi
Good writeup, but the Circular Link in the second paragraph needs to go.
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The only quibble I have is that the actual definition is in the 3rd paragraph. State it briefly at the very beginning, then explain it.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
& Does the following make you happier?
The relationship between these law enforcers and unofficial investigators is strained by many factors. They're often working towards the same goals and have a lot in common, but the police officer has rules and regulations to follow, which the independent sleuth often ignores and gets in the way of. The cop also has a duty to protect citizens from harm, a job not made any easier by their sleuth friend throwing themselves into dangerous situations. The cop may worry that their significant other will get hurt or killed one of these days, and try to dissuade their partner from sleuthing. It's not uncommon for the cop to come to the rescue when the sleuth gets in over their heads, resulting in a Rescue Romance. In some cases, the cop isn't even aware the person they're dating is an independent sleuth, forcing the sleuth to act like they're just really interested in their partner's work so they can get information to fuel their own investigation. Expect this secret to put a big strain on the relationship, with a dramatic confrontation when the cop inevitably finds out.
While this sort of relationship can theoretically exist in a Cop Show, most often the sleuth is the lead character and the cop is their Love Interest. As such, we're usually not meant to agree with the cop's objections to the sleuth's involvement in the case, and if the relationship goes on long enough, the cop will eventually come around.
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Solves my quibble.
Raven Wilder
All I'd add is a sentence to the end of the first paragraph saying, "Other times they may lie to or hide things from each other, even deliberately sabotage their partner's investigation, believing they'll mess up the case or get themselves hurt if they come too close to the truth."
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
The way I organized it, that belongs somewhere in the second paragraph.
- define the pair together
- why they get in each other's way
- how genres use the trope
Speaking as someone that reads a great many book series where the protagonist Amatuer Sleuth has this relationship with a police officer, I think the new proposed new definition matches very well to what I've seen.
It is also good that it remove the false claim that such a relationship is practically required for an Amatuer Sleuth because dating lawyers, doctors and other professions is also rather popular for these kinds of stories.
Raven Wilder
The first paragraph starts by mentioning that this relationship is complicated, with the characters going back and forth between helping and hindering each other, but the rest of the paragraph only talks about how they help each other. Either we need an example of them hindering each other in that paragraph, or we need to separate the helping each other stuff into a different paragraph from the bare bones trope definition at the beginning.
Crown Description:
Cop Boyfriend has been shown to have roughly 50% misuse.
Also, romance tropes seem to attract their own sort of misuse regardless of snowclones. People are obsessed with shoehorning in love interest tropes so they need a higher standard of requirements in the title.
edited 11th Jun '14 10:42:17 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick