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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#1: Dec 27th 2013 at 9:35:46 AM

The example section for this trope is collecting a lot of misusage. This supposed to be for a flat minority character, instead it's just being used for minority characters in general.

Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#2: Dec 27th 2013 at 10:27:35 AM

Sorry, where does the description say that the character needs to be flat? Token Minority is any conscious effort to include a minorty to avoid Monochrome Casting. They don't have to be stereotypes. I think your interpretation of the trope is more narrow than the definition.

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#3: Dec 27th 2013 at 10:40:38 AM

[up] I didn't say anything about having to be a sterotype.

From the description

This trope is prone to misuse. A minority character does not become a Token Minority simply by virtue of being the only minority in the main cast. Nor does the character become a token just because he was created with the intent to appeal to minority audiences, diversify the cast, or deflect charges of prejudice. A minority character is a token only if he lacks personality, character development, and significance within the story. Usually they will have little personality beyond being generically good and little significance other than helping out the more significant white characters.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#4: Dec 27th 2013 at 11:18:00 AM

I personally would define the trope solely as "Token Minority is a character designed to get more minority groups into the plot."

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#5: Dec 27th 2013 at 11:32:02 AM

[up] I don't think a definition like that would work without confirmation from the creators.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#6: Dec 27th 2013 at 12:13:29 PM

I'm not at all sure that should be part of the definition. The idea that being a "token" character requires being a Flat Character is not something I have ever seen beyond this page; it feels like an arbitrary imposition onto the trope.

captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#7: Dec 27th 2013 at 12:28:45 PM

[up] Something simalar is stated on the other wiki.

I've always thought a Token Minority is only in a work for appearance sake.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#8: Dec 27th 2013 at 12:31:26 PM

Which is not the same thing as being a Flat Character, though. Writing reasons vs. writing product.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#9: Dec 27th 2013 at 12:47:59 PM

[up][up]There's a lot of "usually"s in there. Being a flat character is frequently a side effect of tokenism, but I don't think anyone else is trying to make it out as an integral part. I think it's definitely possible to have a token character that is well-written and rounded out - which means that we would be using a definition of Token Minority that excludes some token minority characters. That just doesn't make sense to me.

captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#10: Dec 27th 2013 at 1:09:33 PM

[up]Thing is that if they're a well written and rounded character then they wouldn't be there just for appearance sake.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#11: Dec 27th 2013 at 1:19:41 PM

Er... no. You're getting too hung up on that phrase. A Token Minority is pretty much always a bad thing from a purely external viewpoint, but from a technical internal storytelling viewpoint, one can easily be well-written.

Tokenism is, at its essence, having a single character from a minority group in a cast. Everything else is analysis of why it's done or things that commonly go along with it, not a part of the actual "recurring pattern in fiction".

To put it another way, in The Rhetorical Show, the author makes most of the cast white, but decides to make Bob black in order to present the appearance of diversity. That decision - while likely to go along with other bad writing - doesn't inherently mean anything else about how Bob is written.

edited 27th Dec '13 1:22:23 PM by nrjxll

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#12: Dec 27th 2013 at 1:21:17 PM

Then maybe the problem is the use of the phrase "token minority," which certainly has a lot of connotation along the lines of what the description currently says. Hell, it's probably why those lines are there in the first place.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#13: Dec 27th 2013 at 1:22:02 PM

I think it's possible to write a character whose only reason to exist is to fit a race quota in an elaborated and well-rounded fashion (after all, if all minority characters in my work are flat characters, that would raise even more race issues) - i.e to have a Token Minority character that isn't a Flat Character.

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#14: Dec 27th 2013 at 1:23:04 PM

[up][up][up] That's not the definition of Tokenism.

noun 1. the practice of making only a perfunctory or symbolic effort to do a particular thing, esp. by recruiting a small number of people from underrepresented groups in order to give the appearance of sexual or racial equality within a workforce.

edited 27th Dec '13 1:23:19 PM by captainpat

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#15: Dec 27th 2013 at 1:25:14 PM

Dictionaries are not good arguments, especially when we are talking on Token Minority and not Tokenism.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#16: Dec 27th 2013 at 1:25:24 PM

@Leaper: My whole argument is that it doesn't. Every discussion of tokenism I've ever seen beyond this definition treats it as simply being what it sounds like. It's usually described as bad writing, sure, but in an Unfortunate Implications sense, not in a flat character sense.

[up][up]Okay, I don't think you actually understand what "perfunctory" means in this context. It's referring to the attempt "to give the appearance of sexual or racial equality".

edited 27th Dec '13 1:28:56 PM by nrjxll

Dragonmouth Since: Sep, 2009
#17: Dec 27th 2013 at 2:31:06 PM

I think that a true Token Minority needs to be a Flat Character rather than simply being the only minority in the cast. Consider, for example, Men in Black. Agent J was the only minority in the cast but would you call him a token? He was the lead and one of the most significant characters in the film.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#18: Dec 27th 2013 at 2:42:08 PM

Yes, I would, because "only minority in the cast" is what a token minority is. I don't know why this is hard to understand.

Edit: Actually, on second thought, I'm not sure I would, but only because Men in Black doesn't really have many main characters of any sort. In my experience, Token Minority is usually more of a concept applied to an ensemble cast.

edited 27th Dec '13 2:44:43 PM by nrjxll

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#19: Dec 27th 2013 at 3:03:25 PM

Yeah, the only black main character out of two is not Token Minority.

Other than that, I agree that the character doesn't need to be a Flat Character, it's just an annoyingly common side effect.

edited 27th Dec '13 3:04:10 PM by Discar

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#20: Dec 27th 2013 at 3:10:49 PM

What makes a "token" is that they're only there to provide nominal diversity. Most often that means that they're a Flat Character, because often the only real reason for them to be in the work is to defuse accusations of an -ism. But they don't have to be Flat to be Token.

edited 27th Dec '13 3:13:30 PM by Madrugada

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#21: Dec 27th 2013 at 10:57:25 PM

Too bad there can't be a crowner on this, because I still maintain that the phrase "token minority," when said in relation to a fictional character, has very strong connotations of Flat Character.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#22: Dec 27th 2013 at 11:16:36 PM

I think you're confusing tropes that are frequently executed poorly for the trope itself. Most minority tropes are executed poorly. It doesn't mean they have to be.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#23: Dec 28th 2013 at 1:18:25 AM

Also, you haven't given us reason to restrict the trope to one of its most common results/connotations. The connotations and results that a trope often brings aren't by necessity an integral part of it.

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#24: Dec 28th 2013 at 9:00:11 AM

I don't see anything wrong with the trope currently. Like Septimus said, what do we have to gain by narrowing it?

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#25: Dec 28th 2013 at 1:05:31 PM

[up]Technically, the Flat Character stuff is part of the trope currently. We're proposing getting rid of it, not adding it.


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