Disney's Moana

Ah, but see she Married at the end of her movie so she's weak and we hate her! BOOOOOOOOOOO!

Praise be to Lady Merida!

Is it the end of the world when a woman gets married. She can still be badass even if she's married.

I would really like more Disney princess movies where the girl doesn't end up in a relationship (that's honestly the only reason I like Frozen, it let Elsa stay without a romantic relationship, and it was still a happy ending because she reconnected with her sister) but I certainly don't think a woman getting married makes her weaker. (And at least Rapunzel waited a few years before marrying Eugene, rather than marrying him when she had only known him for like two days. )

what about platonic relationships? i like relationships that are close but aren't romantic by any means..well ok a little bit but still just as long as a get a few disney movies that have some well done romance stories. then i'm good. (is a romance fanatic)

It's only an issue because for a long time, if a Disney film had a female lead, it was strongly implied at the end that she got married. Union with the hero was her primary goal. The only Disney film with a male lead where the hero's express purpose is to get the girl, that I can think of, is Aladdin. One hopes that as they mix things up with what their female leads are after, and how their stories end, that howlers will settle down a bit. Moana is well structured in that while the protagonist is a female and there's a very strong male lead in Ma'ui, it isn't terribly likely that a romantic relationship will develop between them, or that the audience will even want one too (except for shippers, and there's no stopping them).

What irritates me is that there's apparently no way for Disney to win here. If the heroine is assertive and athletic and proactive, they get smacked for somehow dissing traditional femininity. If she's demure and reactive, then they get smacked for NOT making her proactive. If they mix the traits, then the heroine's a Mary Sue. If they have co-heroines who embody each type, then the complainers will pick out which one they think the movie favors more and say Disney is dissing the other one's qualities. If she wants a relationship with a guy, that's bad; if she doesn't, they're somehow saying that girls won't get relationships if they do heroic stuff.

It gets to where all you can do is ignore it, cuz there really is no pleasing such people. Fortunately, Disney's been pretty successful just making their films and not worrying overmuch about it.

which is a good thing.

It's honestly their own fault for being one of the spearheads of those stereotypical archetypes, even well into the 21st Century, and being too set in their ways thus far to do anything but take baby steps in averting them.

Though they're the best and most influential at what they do and their getting on board with better characterization (and merchandizing) is going to be essential in changing the industry for the better, I'm a bit more concerned about how the tightropes that this atmosphere creates affect the industry as a whole rather than how it necessarily affects Disney itself.

edited 14th Sep '16 8:24:25 PM by KnownUnknown

Dang, I am really pumped for this movie! Seems like it'll be fun.

I was 100% effin sold even before now. But now, it only reinforces it.

edited 15th Sep '16 9:02:56 AM by kyun

That lava monster is totally Ragnaros from Warcraft and no one can convince me otherwise.

Isn't he dead?

Looks like Moana herself will be a strong case of Slapstick Knows no Gender. I like that in my heroines.

GET HYPE BOI!!!

I know I am!

I can already tell that Moana/Maui will be the next Nick/Judy.

…Hmm, so I saw the French trailer, and the titular character has become "Vaiana" for some reason… 'The heck?

But anyway, pretty pumped for this too.

Oh Disney. You so cray cray.

Bad form.

One step forward...

Whoops....

This trailer (in Portuguese, but with English subtitles) has a few extra details in it:

Mota Nui, huh? That's going to inspire a whole ton of BIONICLE jokes.^note Not by coincidence, of course

Some Europeans (including in my own country) are already complaining of the Dub Name Change to Vaiana, which I can sorta get behind. I understand that Italy changed it because of copyright (name was already owned by a porn star, lol), but so many other countries? I think the name in itself isn't so bad (though some people do make fun of it), real problem is how it's gonna look with the lip sync. Pronouncing Moana is certainly different from pronouncing Vaiana. Weird choice by so many countries. :/

edited 1st Oct '16 2:12:21 AM by Lancelot07

When I first saw the name, I thought it was pronounced "mona," rather than "mo-AH-na." Disney could have inserted an apostrophe, as in "Mo'ana," which is pretty common when transliterating Polynesian words into English, and there'd have been less confusion (on my part, anyhow).

edited 3rd Oct '16 9:51:12 AM by Robbery

Mo'ana would actually be pronounced a little differently from Moana in Hawaiian.^note The apostrophe's a specific sound in Hawaiian— the difference between how non-natives say Hawaii (ha-why-YEE) and the native pronunciation of Hawai'i (hawai-(brief pause)-ee or hawa-(brief pause)-ee). Like the stop in uh-oh, basically.

edited 3rd Oct '16 10:21:43 AM by Unsung