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Wonder what would happen if a Cyclone was to destroy them and the local nations ninja'd some troops into the positions before China could get them back...
I'm baaaaaaack
Just wanted to point out something in the OP: pretty sure South Korea doesn't have any claim over Senkaku.
South Korea's primary interest is Dokdo.
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I know that Dokdo is SK's primary interest. The thing is, at the time I wrote that, SK had an interest going on when the Senkaku/Diaoyu debacle was at an all-time high. A quasi-claim, shall we say.
I'll edit that bit, nonetheless, for the sake of clarity.
edited 10th Apr '15 1:04:33 PM by Quag15
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I've noticed here that this thread includes discussion about the entirely of Taiwan, and not just ROC's stance on minor islands in the South China Sea. Is that still the case? We do have a thread specifically for Taiwan
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That might have been discussed in passing by a few folks, but, as I affirmed/implied in the OP, Taiwan's independence and the Taiwanese claim in regards to the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands are different things.
edited 27th Apr '15 9:10:12 PM by Quag15
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Or in other words, "how dare you grow a spine".
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I find that to be so laughable.
Despite the fact that I'm ethnic Chinese and I deplore their actions in the Spratlys.
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The other countries need to stop appeasing China. Why is the whole world accustomed to letting China get its way all the time? We didn't do that with the Soviet Union and that was a US-level superpower.
Money, Dear Boy and an absence of an alternative opposing ideology.
Also, challenging China to a military encounter takes more balls than most such countries have.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Like I said, being "scared" of China is no excuse. Entire coalitions of countries (both anticommunist and the neutral Non-Aligned Movement) stood up to the Soviet Union. And the Soviets weren't just about keeping a communist block; they acted as patrons and friends to other countries like India and Nicaragua.
If anything, keeping up the appeasement might mislead the Chinese leaders to misunderstand, thinking that this is the norm. I would say what ASEAN is doing is a good move.
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What's wrong with Chinese land reclamation?
Lazy and pathetic.
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It's on disputed islands in the middle of the South China Sea, and it's being used to build airbases for the PLAAF.
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When it's on land that China has an undisputed claim to, nothing. It's just like any other engineering/airfield-building project.
The issue here to make the neighbors nervous is that the new airfields are close to, or in some cases within, disputed territory. It's the fait accompli method of diplomacy, which is hardly ideal for signalling that you're in good faith when you negotiate.
Essentially, it's the difference between building a fort on land that you own, and building a fort on land that both you and your neighbors have a claim to.
Charlie Stross's cheerful, optimistic predictions for 2017, part one of three.
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I seem to remember an UNCLOS ruling that was not in favour of China's claims.
A procrastination in of itself
UNCLOS clearly shows that much of the territory China claims is in no way its.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
I suppose the reason for not standing up to China, is that too much money rides on it. There is also a school of people who'd prefer China as the new Asian superpower, so the US would have a new playmate.
Essentially, China needs to do something so audacious that there's no other choice but to act.
(But all of that money!)
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わからない
With the new defense guidelines Japan can actually also help us by virtue of our country also hosting US military units too. Of course Japan dodged answering specifics, but by and large "self-defense" has been expanded.
edited 30th Apr '15 10:12:07 AM by entropy13
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Vietnam Buys Deadly New Missiles Capable of Hitting China
Vietnam is in the process of acquiring 50 anti-ship and land attack 3M-14E Klub supersonic cruise missiles for its burgeoning fleet of SSK Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines, Der Spiegel Online reports.
According to the article, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) recently updated data on its website, based on information obtained from the United Nations’ register of conventional arms, indicating that Russia has already delivered 28 missiles over the last two years to Hanoi, although the precise number remains unknown.
Klub is a nasty piece of work, one that China already has. And somewhere Putin is smiling...
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x-posting from the Asian politics thread:
The U.S. will base B-1 bombers and surveillance planes in Australia amid South China Sea tensions
It looks like the U.S. Air Force is planning to deploy some strategic bombers and surveillance aircraft in Australia to put some pressure on China amid South China Sea tensions.
The South China Sea is the subject of several territorial claims. China claims sovereignty on some island chains and waters that are within the 200 nautical miles exclusive economic zone of Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam
This year, China has started building an airstrip on the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea waters claimed by the Philippines.
According to FP, the Defense Department’s Assistant Secretary for Asian and Pacific Security Affairs David Shear, during testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on May 13, said that along with moving U.S. Marines and Army units around the region, the Pentagon will deploy air assets in Australia, “including B-1 bombers and surveillance aircraft.”
edited 15th May '15 5:17:03 PM by TairaMai
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Imperial knight
Naval Air: China and Japan Prep For A Death Race
China has a history of installing small numbers of troops on islets or reefs (via structures built on stilts) whose ownership China disputes. China then supplies these troops at great expense via boat from the mainland and threatens to strike back if its “garrisons” are attacked. Thus the Japanese watch the Senkakus carefully, in case China tries to send in “occupation forces.” The U.S. has made it clear that its MV-22s in Okinawa would be available to move Japanese troops to the Senkakus in the event of an emergency.