Misused: My Real Daddy

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This trope is in real need of work.

It's meaning is ostensibly "when a creator other than the original defines a work" but in the Comic section especially, it's devolved into "Which run I think is best"

It gets really glaring on things like Wonder Woman, Batman or Green Arrow where the entries all follow the pattern of

  • X is the Real Daddy
    • But BEFORE X, Y was the real daddy
    • To some it was D
      • Recently, Z was...

And so on and forth.

It's a fandom reaction trope; but the page has become a dumping ground for people to say which run thy personally thought was the most "iconic" or"seminal."
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edited 12th Nov '13 8:21:40 PM by captainpat

Fixed the tag.

...I had not even thought this was YMMV from the title. Anyways, please show an actual example of this happening, because it does not look that way to me when looking at the page.

edited 12th Nov '13 9:24:09 PM by MikuruFan

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Batman Fantastic Four Wonder Woman Superman Green Arrow Wolverine

From a skim

If anything they could serve as a list of critical points in character history; but then again that's not the trope is it?
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5 SeptimusHeap12th Nov 2013 11:25:56 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Given that this is an Audience Reaction and their pages document opinions, I do not see a problem with people adding examples of creators they prefer. That said, using it to refer to a comic run as opposed to its creator is wrong; I would remove such examples.
What's the difference between a run and the creator, though? Some contributors may not specifically remember who wrote that run, or the run is better known by a different name.
7 Larkmarn13th Nov 2013 07:07:42 AM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
I don't really see this as "misused" so much as... well... it's sort of supposed to be a dumping ground for well-received runs.

Though I have to say, Wolverine's section does seem excessive. Seems like someone considers every one of his daddies to be his Real Daddy.
Maybe the fundamental idea of the trope is flawed, then, right?

It seems to me that this is a specific Sub-Trope of both Growing the Beard and Characterization Marches On, which attempts to mark specific moments where a run added to characterization and grew its beard as a result.

If we keep that in mind, having a long list of examples isn't misuse, so long as it sufficiently impacted the character's growth and/or popularity.
9 SeptimusHeap13th Nov 2013 08:27:06 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
This Audience Reaction is about the audience attributing certain (usually positive) qualities of a franchise to a particular member of its creator staff, even when they aren't the only people involved.
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I agree with Zeal. If anything it should be reworked into a "flashpoint" style were it lists notable creative turns in characters.

I dont think a "runs you like" list is appropriate for Tv Tropes.

edited 13th Nov '13 8:58:50 AM by hyperalbion

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I'm late to this discussion, but I'd contend that what needs to be on the list are not runs that were really good, but runs that introduced new elements and helped to redefine who the character was. To use a really obvious example, Frank Miller pretty much rebuilt Daredevil from the ground up, darkening the tone, bringing in his Catholicism, adding a film noir feel, and beginning the long, proud tradition of killing his girlfriends. Later writers have been building on Miller, rather than the Stan Lee original. Conversely, while I think that Brian Michael Bendis and Ed Brubaker's runs on the title were great, they didn't invent anything new.
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In which case it' a YMMV that needs to be exiled to the pit we put that kind of stuff.

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13 SeptimusHeap5th Dec 2013 11:13:08 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Sugar Wiki entries usually are far more concentrated on a positive opinion than this.
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Then I say an exile to YMMV. Or an exile. Purge, whatever. It needs to be delt with.
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15 SeptimusHeap5th Dec 2013 10:46:49 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
It is already YMMV, for the record.
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Ah so it is; in which case we should probbaly rewrite the opening; clear away the examples and then let them grow back naturally.
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to go against that last part. The examples are mostly well-written. And considering that this type of trope requires Dedicated Fanboy-levels of trivial knowledge, much of the information seems like the type that might be lost forever after a wipe.
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>Mostly well-written

They arent. Mostly due to the poorly delineated concept leading to constant qualping about "the best run" and conversations withtin. Tvtropes doent need a 'BEST RUN EVUH" list
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Can you point to a specific example? Because I don't see that many conversations within the page.
20 Larkmarn8th Dec 2013 09:07:13 AM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Yeah, I'm with Zeal. I expected a horrible mess, but when I went through the biggest issue was they seemed a bit too generous to call a run the best one ever. The writing was, for the most part, fine. At least on par with any other given page.
21 Odd18th Dec 2013 07:56:28 PM from Nowhere Land , Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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Pardon, but how does the trope name make any sense whatsoever? When I first saw it, I thought it referred to something like adopted children telling their parents "You're not my real parents!" or whatever. This is actually about comic book writers? What?
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22 StarSword9th Dec 2013 07:54:32 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
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[up]Yes, thank you for that. How in the heck did this get that name?
This trope is for authors whose potrayal have gained significant praise and overshadowed original creators. With comcis characters, whose adventures run for decades, this is problematic, because every new generation will have new writer to be the daddy. John Byrne was this for generation of fans who were reading his stories, younger generation had Mark Waid and then Jonathan Hickman. Quite frankly, there is no reason to change anything about the trope, we should just make it clear in describtion that this title isn't set in stone and new daddy can show up.
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In which case it's an arbitrary and subjective mess that doesnt even need issues. Literally every creator will be someone's 'Daddy." It's an Omnipresent Chair trope.

The trope as is is borderline troper tales.

It's an intriguing concept yes, but the examples are unnecessary and lead to more problems that solutions. Just leave it as a trivia with no entries. (And on a tangent, make another page for 'Seminal Runs" that this trope seem to have been ambiguated with.)
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Leaving it as trivia as no entries completely removes the point entirely.

You have yet to show us how the examples detract from the page.

edited 4th Jan '14 11:54:33 PM by KingZeal

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