Benthelooney

That actually makes sense. I think Ben should stop listening to the haters and listen to his real fans.

I think that Adventure Time has gotten so good its awesomeness is better then Spongebob, even the early seasons (and the uncancelled version). I'm so glad Adventure Time wasn't accepted to Nick, it would never be the same.

You're right. I liked when he talked about obscure cartoons, like in his list of underrated cartoons. It still bugs me he put Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi at number 1, but that isn't the point. The point is I wish he would do more videos about old classic cartoons. A kind of recent video was his top ten Rocky and Bullwinkle storylines. Even if his videos end, I will still be kind of happy that he sort of listened to his fans. I do think the whole "2000 kids" retcon was his worst retcon ever, because it pretty much takes away the point of his videos, doing salutes on the classics.

Even though I know his videos are getting bad, I still love his videos, and I have hope that he will get better if he listens to his real fans. Remember when the Nostalgia Critic temporarily cancelled his videos? If I was alive back then when Nostalgia Critic cancelled his videos, I would have the feeling I do now, except I know this time it is real.

Personally I didn't like the Ben Strikes Back video. I kind of feel like if the Puffyzillaman4-era ben had made that video, it would have been better, with him not playing a character back then.

Off Topic, A complaint I hate that he gets alot is that he is a pedophile for calling the characters of Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi hot. How does that make him a pedophile? THEY ARE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS!

Agreed but with his rants being cancelled for the second time, I don't think there will be a chance he will, seeing as everything has been completed. The comedy approach to me took away the main enjoyability of the rants as he used to get to the bottom and scratch the surface of why he didn't like certain things.

I have to agree. The writers took what they learnt from Sponge Bob and made it even better. I think they may have gone a similar direction with the sponge had the show not ended and then brought back shortly after the movie was produced and completed.

Me too. His Underrated Cartoons to me were the highlight of Ben Rants's revival years. I agree it's an awful retcon and takes away the original/initial point of his videos as his older videos relied on the Nostalgia Filter and that was part of why I enjoyed them, because I was one of those people that missed their childhood despite enjoying new things as well but Ben was not as stuck in the past as many people accused him of being but he appreciated and preferred the past, which was his opinion.

I actually liked it. The part where he said if his haters apologised, he would be willing to forgive them and be friends actually made me feel near emotional considering how mean his haters were acting at that point and despite accusing him of pedophilia and wanting to have sex with Pinkie Pie, he would still forgive and forget.

I think the best time of his videos was around 2010/early 2011 during the final days of the Puffy Zillaman 4 videos. The last season of the original rants was still however brilliant. Just everything Ben Salutes: Gravity Falls onwards is more joke oriented than review oriented.

I agree, not to mention that they are supposed to be in their 30s.

edited 8th Dec '13 8:24:15 AM by anonymous1224

I was wondering if you have ever watched MLP: FIM before, because since so many people, including Ben, seem to love this show as much as I love Adventure Time, I wanted to hear someone's opinion of the show directly. If you haven't watched the show, then we can just change the topic again.

Here's a question I have for you: What videos, in order from least terrible to most terrible, do you think are the worst Benthelooney/Puffyzillaman 4 videos?

I've watched it but not on a regular basis. I have liked what I have seen though. It's amazing how it's still popular even though Lauren Faust left the show after it's initial season.

1) Ben Rants: Pixar (Worst rant he's ever created)

2) The "2000s Kids" video (For the fact that it retcons his claim that he's a 90s kid)

3) Neb Rants: Adventure Time and Regular Show (Basically Ben mocking his older personna which is insulting to the fans that supported him and wanted the rants back)

4) The Looney T Ben videos

5) Ben's Top 10 Classic Cartoons I Hate

6) Atlantis Square Pantis

7) Ben Salutes: Gravity Falls (Not a bad video, but this is the video where afterwards he dropped focus on ranting and then told jokes)

8) The Least Interesting Youtuber in The World (

9) Ben Salutes: Adventure Time and Regular Show (I don't hate these shows but this is clearly Ben pandering to the fans of those shows that hated and boycotted his videos and did multiple commentaries on him just to make them stay quiet)

10 )Majority of the Neb videos (Though they did get funnier later on because Ben was expanding on the jokes)

edited 8th Dec '13 1:31:59 PM by anonymous1224

I agree with your choice of the worst Benthelooney video. In that Pixar rant, when he talked about the Monsters Inc. plot hole, he completely messed up on that scene by skipping an important part that wouldn't have made that a plot hole. Secondly, he decided to compare Disney to Pixar, and his argument was pretty much "you compare them too, so its okay". It was as if Ben thought everybody acted like that. Thirdly, he hated A Bug's Life just because it stole its plot from an obscure movie. So what? Star Wars takes some of its plot from obscure movies, and it has an entire GENRE of star wars specials! Fourth, he hated The Incredibles for not being "creative" and that it just combined two genres. Again, I say: So What? I can name a lot of successful movies that combine two genres, including Cowboys vs. Aliens. I can not even begin to understand why Ben doesn't like Wall-E.

Off Topic Again: I don't know why Ben hates MAD now. When I watched his CN rant, I got so happy that he liked MAD. Is it true Ben hates MAD now? And if so, why?

UPDATE: Ben has just made a new video, Son of More Spit 2000's kids say, which seems almost ironic with how we were complaining about the 2000's retcon. Not only that, but it was revealed that his finale video is going to be next Friday!!! Ben made it seem like the finale will be a new "Top 30 Favorite Cartoons" list. He also said he is only retiring his CHARACTERS, and he will still play himself in his other videos.

edited 8th Dec '13 5:04:54 PM by BigRedTroper

I can't comment on it right now because I found out he's going through an emotional time right now (His Facebook states it) but I do agree those are the reasons why I didn't like his rant on Pixar.

He was criticised for liking Mad because it "references stuff from the 50s".

So he stopped liking it because haters thought he only watched it for nostalgia? That is not a reason to stop liking it! Just because the haters mock him for watching MAD for nostalgia doesn't mean he has to stop liking the show. I will still think MAD is awesome, and I think Ben still thinks that, no matter what his haters make him say.

He says he doesn't like it because of "dated pop culture references" (at least somewhere). Yeah me too, I think his haters really cyber bullied him...

Does it really count as cyber bullying to say you hate someone's opinions? It may be mean, but it seems different from cyber bullying. As long as they don't turn Ben emo, I am pretty much fine with what the haters and trolls say.

p.s. What was your reason for hating The Least Interesting Youtuber In The World Video?

edited 8th Dec '13 7:08:13 PM by BigRedTroper

I didn't like it because it seemed like Ben was really offended by the haters and he was poking fun at himself to cover it up. In the first run, he addressed criticisms more professionally, but that video is IMHO why Season 5's first half (of Ben Rants) to me suffered a huge case of Seasonal Rot.

I think he retconned it in an attempt to appeal to the early 2000s kids that watch his videos. I've watched both runs and I think that while the original videos were more reliant on 90s Nostalgia Filter, the second run is to capitalize on early 2000s nostalgia (Which in it's own way does make sense even though I'm not fond of the retcons, because alot of people online and alot of his new viewers are indeed early 2000s kids. Even though he's trying to capitalize on early '00s nostalgia, it weirdens me out that he wouldn't like the first run of Sponge Bob although it's his opinion).

I think the finale is this Friday for some reason. I think Ben's cartoons will be great, as I know he has had plans for them for ages. I hope that they deliver the humor and charm his first run rants did.

edited 11th Dec '13 10:23:57 AM by anonymous1224

If he really is doing a best cartoons list, I expect either Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi or MLP: FIM on number 1. He put HHPAY on the top of his first best cartoon list, so I know that may as well be number 1 here too.

If it's not a retcon, then maybe. I hope so because it's gotten to the point of where I can't take him seriously as a reviewer due to constantly switching opinions around.

In spite of the second run being lackluster in my opinion for the most part (Though the first few comeback videos were okay), I am actually in a way glad that Ben decided to continue production with his videos after cancelling them the first time around because it did go to show that he values the opinions of fans (Though he states he ended them due to running out of topics).

I do hope Ben doesn't retcon his love of HHPAY and MLP:FIM. The worst part of his videos for me, besides the Black/Dead Baby Comedy, is his retcons of opinions. His opinion of Rugrats went from not liking it to being number 2 on the worst cartoons list. He also changed his opinions of Phineas and Ferb, MAD, and a whole bunch of other shows. I really don't like how he seems to repeat his hatred of Family Guy, Seth Mcfarlane and Ted to the point where he is just saying the same things about it over and over. Not only did he make a Family Guy rant whining about how Bugs Bunny was killed (I don't care if he says cartoons mean something to him, he still is immature for whining about a drawing being killed), he then decided to make THREE more family guy rants, this time about the star wars parodies. In the third one, he started ranting on about Seth Mcfarlane, calling him scum and saying is jokes are terrible. He seems to have ignored the fact that Seth worked on classic CN shows, like Johnny Bravo.

It also seems Hilarious in Hindsight that in his first FG rant, he said the Simpsons joke was terrible, and Seth couldn't make a good comeback joke. In a later episode of Family Guy, a joke is made about Family Guy beating The Simpsons to a plot, a reference to how fans hate FG for ripping off The Simpsons. THAT was a good comeback joke. Plus, a crossover will be made between The Simpsons and Family Guy, showing Seth and Matt are friends. Apparently after that joke about Quagmire killing the Simpsons, Matt wouldn't talk to Seth for a while. I guess Matt got over it, from the looks of the crossover.

In short, I just hate the retcons (and exaggerations) Ben Tannehill makes to his videos, showing he only listens to his haters and new fans, and not the longtime fans who love his old style. A message to Ben: Try and listen to your classic audience and not the new audience. I don't want your rants to get worse.

From the looks of it, I don't think he will of the latter because his revival videos for the most part are chock full of pony references and only toned them down because Fitness Dammy requested that he should tone them down.

Me too, and the way he retcons opinions is unbelievably harsh and makes me wonder that, once again, he's doing this to get views. What was funny in his old opinion of Rugrats (made a year earlier) is that he said it was "good for nostalgia purposes" but in his second one, he says it's "not even good for a nostalgia trip". I find it how ironic he mentions what he doesn't like about the baby characters but hates Angelica because she "bullies" the babies XD.

I hate Pokemon for the reasons Ben stated, but it just seemed like an attempt to prove to his haters that "he isn't stuck in the past".

Me too, and I have a huge love of the pre cancellation seasons. I don't think that's true, as Matt nor Seth have said anything about that.

edited 15th Feb '14 6:31:42 AM by anonymous1224

A thing I hate about his videos is how he rips off the Nostalgia Critic. He lampshaded it in one of his top 11 videos, and it wasn't that funny, because the joke sounded like he was okay with ripping off the Nostalgia Critic. He doesn't like Family Guy for ripping off The Simpsons, so he shouldn't steal Nostalgia Critic's jokes. I also hate how he said Wander over Yonder was COMPLETELY original. I can find many things Wander Over Yonder has in common with another show, like Adventure Time. Both have talking animal characters, both have main characters who do stupid things and are also smart sometimes, and both have a wierd universe. Ben should try to not say things when he hasn't researched if he is right, this being an example.

Same here, in an effort to get more views and to attract a wider audience. I'm okay with the jokes here and there as long as they're original, and they're not all the time (When his rants relaunched, the first few had at least one joke in, but it wasn't as often, but even then you could see he was planning on turning his rants into comedy reviews).

That's the problem with Ben nowadays, he criticizes shows he hates for doing certain things (I wouldn't be surprised if the singing in Phineas&Ferb bugs him, as it bugs many of the show's haters. To be fair and without sounding like a fanboy, I find it hypocritical that they criticise the show for that (Though it's Executive Meddling), seeing as some of those said haters like FIM), yet he likes shows that do the exact same thing and tries to deny it. Even as a Gravity Falls AND Regular Show fan, I can see that Alex Hirsch's art style is identical to JG Quintel's. Yet he won't deny it about Sanjayand Craig because he hates it.

I actually feel that he does less research nowadays than he did in the first run (Which is ironic, as the rants prior to their relaunch were criticised for Ben not doing research).

I actually once chatted with Ben in the youtube comments. In his comment, he was using the old "character" excuse, and I replied that "acting" is a better excuse. Then Ben said acting and playing a character are basically the same thing, and I disagreed, because when you are acting (ex. with an avatar), you are playing yourself, just not saying things you would normally say. Playing a cartoon character is different because a cartoon character is not supposed to be like the person voicing it, and it is just a drawing. An example of acting as a youtuber in T4-TV. He uses an avatar, with many GREAT drawings drawn by himself, but he isn't playing a cartoon character, and is using his normal voice. An example of playing a character is Ben Tannehill aka Benthelooney, who has a limited amount of average/bad drawings from a fan (who got nothing in return), and in earlier videos, he used his normal voice and acted casual and nice with his avatar. Now he uses a different voice and only has two voices: angry and annoyingly happy.

Also, I hate his video on "the difference between Ben T. Looney and me". Apparantly he is so bothered by his fans saying the character excuse is stupid, he has to point out how drastically different his character is to him.

I have to agree. The older videos beat his newer ones.

His recent finale was actually pretty decent and actually made me laugh at points. Aside from one joke that leans in the Dead Baby Comedy genre, he actually didn't abuse it and while feeling more like a modern Ben video, it's actually fairly funny and I did find the Classic Ben throwback funny.

Unlike "Ben Strikes Back", this finale doesn't open the door for a revival but it's best for him to end and go out on a good note and if Ben does use this style for his cartoons, I think they will be geniunely funny.

I also love this finale. I love how all his characters interact and it makes for great humor, something I don't mind when done well.

Keep in mind, he is not ending his ENTIRE video series. He is only retiring his characters. The description says "I'm not done, yet." and I believe him. I am still expecting videos of Ben Tannehill, and I have high hopes for his future shows.

A message to Ben: Despite your mistakes, I still love your videos. I hope for the best for you, and that you never give up your cartoon making job. I want to make a cartoon too, so we do have something in common. To sum it all up, Ben, you are awesome!

I have a feeling that the final and sixth/last season could be Ben's return to form that his classic fans have been waiting for, for a while. I really hope that happens because Ben in his earlier days was an amazing ranter. There's a reason why I was upset when his rants initially ended. And those rants today, even give me satisfaction because the internet needed a ranter like him around.

The videos where he is himself are usually the best he's ever done (In the first run, alot of the best videos were prior to him turning Ben into a character. But I do think 2011 was when he began developing his personality prior to the Character Derailment in the revival years), and takes more pride into how talented and vocal he can be.

I hope his cartoons are amazing and what the fans of his videos (Of both eras of course) expect from him :).

Ben said the first cartoon he is planning on making is the Daisy and Dexter show, but before he can make that cartoon he must work on another cartoon. That sort of makes sense, since Seth Mcfarlane actually worked on classic cartoons before making Family Guy. I actually agree with Ben about how the pilot of Family Guy, Larry and Steve, is better then the real show.

EDIT: Two more videos from Ben.

My Story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv4sTWhZQyU&list=UUpMkHxbmAKmPEZMlKcEtdeA

Is This the End? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u47Qb4CVcDI&list=UUpMkHxbmAKmPEZMlKcEtdeA

edited 16th Dec '13 3:48:00 AM by BigRedTroper

Not to mention that Craig Bartlett (creator of Hey Arnold)was a story editor on Rugrats for it's first 65 episodes. I think you need to work on other cartoons to get your name out there, before you can make your own as it takes alot of hard work to get your name and face into animation.

I agree. Larryand Steve, Lifeof Larry, his Johnny Bravo episodes, Dexters Laboratory episodes, Cowand Chicken episodes, Classic Family Guy, American Dad (This isn't Seth's show but Mike Barker and Matt Weitzman's)and Ted are some of the best things Seth Mac Farlane has had his name on.

I hope Daisyand Dexter brings promise.

I saw his new video. He almost committed suicide? Damn O_O. :/

I am also hoping his cunning cat idea gets made, even if it is too similar to Darwing Duck. But I still think Daisy and Dexter will be pretty funny.

I was going to mention that part, about the suicide, but I didn't want to spoil it. That part really depressed me. Good think Beemo and Gir always make me smile.

I also equate Ben's videos to the likes of Sponge Bob. Both of them had 3 brilliant seasons but had a revival that ruined their brands and went against their original formula. There's a series with either similar writers or similar creative sensibilities that made their old stuff fun and are underrated (Adventure Time, TV Trash). And one that was popular at first but then quickly lost it (Looney T Ben and Phineas&Ferb).

I know, it was sad. Ben's material might not be as funny as they used to be pre revival but it's still upsetting and shocking :/. NO ONE should feel suicidal.

edited 17th Dec '13 7:00:36 AM by anonymous1224

Ben was suicidal because he had no friends. It sounds really sad for him. I always thought he was a cool kid in school. I learned something. ( :