They called on local Muslims to join them so I'm not sure, the threat seemed to be aimed at Salafist Imams more then ISIS though. Are there any prominent Salafist Imams in Corsica?
Switzerland to strip jihadis of citizenship in major terror crackdown
and by this they mean dual nationals.
And:
edited 29th Jul '16 3:58:45 AM by TerminusEst
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Ew. That latter bit seems like an open invitation for abuse.
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The Swiss government has a...unique view on civil rights for a democracy.
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There is only Switzerland. Be neutral publicly, be neutral privately. Or else.
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Yeah, the Swiss in general always seem to have this underlying tension of absolutism underneath the tourist traps, chocolate, and democracy. Be it neutrality, secrecy, now citizenship....
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
It's that democracy is understood as absolute mob rule. If a majority agrees, everything should go, according to our right-wingers. Even if it violates human rights.
edited 29th Jul '16 7:51:50 AM by Antiteilchen
The law in the night
A case was brought before the courts when the government applied to strip a 19-year-old of his dual nationality. The unnamed man, who joined Islamic State (ISIS) in Syria in 2015, also held Italian nationality but posted photos of himself with the decapitated head of one of his victims. Now the jihadi from Winterthur in the canton of Zürich in northern Switzerland is no longer a citizen although he is also believed to be dead.
Since 2001, the country says 77 people have fled Switzerland to fight in the Middle East.
And the Federal Intelligence Service says 17 of those believed to have travelled to Iraq and Syria had dual nationality.
The country has now toughened up laws which will come into full force in January that allows them to strip terrorists of their status and their passports in a bid to expel them from the country.
According to reports the laws state that those convicted of crimes in connection with terrorist activities, violent extremism or organised crime can have their citizenship revoked.
Dual citizens could also lose their Swiss passport if they “endanger in the long term Switzerland’s good relations with another state by insulting that state”.
The latest clampdown comes just weeks after the majority of the country came out to vote on immigration issues.
The Swiss State Secretariat for Migration said: "The population has adopted the law on accelerated asylum procedures with 66.8 per cent in favour on June 5 2016.
"Thus, the electorate has anchored two principles law: First, the asylum procedures are accelerated.
"Second, the rapid asylum procedure in Switzerland continues to be conducted to ensure it is constitutionally correct.
"This is the basis of a consistent, fair and credible asylum system." The government previously had the ability to remove citizenship based on a law from just after the Second World War.
But critics are worried the 1952 legislation which had never been enacted did not go far enough. This latest law is set to come into practice in January 2017.
So, if you join terrorist organizations and possess dual citizenship, you can kiss goodbye to your Swiss nationality, because you know having radical Jihadists roaming around after returning from fighting for a major terrorist organization is surely a good idea and something governments would nicely deal with.
I remember someone in this thread expressing shock over the church attack in France over how a radicalized immigrant managed to slit that priest's throat, the intelligence agencies knew he was radicalized and under "surveillance" but couldn't prevent him from attacking.
There isn't exactly a nice way to deal with extremists that doesn't harm their rights in one way or another otherwise you also risk allowing them to act and engage terrorist activities in your soil. Arrest them? Enforce house arrest? Have a government agent follow them 24/7 or see whoever isn't a national and kick them out back to their origin country? All break someone's rights no matter what but no one is willing to let them loose and just watching them and putting them on watch lists is proving to do jack shit to prevent terrorism.
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Why is it that the law target dual nationality Swiss and not single nationality Swiss (regardless of whether the latter's parents are Swiss or immigrants)? Isn't there some double standard here at work?
I think it's a case that stripping someone of citizenship when they have no other is a big no-no after the Nazis did it to German Jews.
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I... probably didn't think my question through.
Still, the law does create an imbalance of sorts. Let's say someone's Swiss part of his dual citizenship is revoked/removed. How will the other country react (especially if some other country has a similar law - which would generate a conundrum)?
edited 29th Jul '16 11:50:57 AM by Quag15
Far as I can tell in none of these cases would denaturalization be required - it would only give the authorities the legal option. I would imagine this would end up being a tussle between their respective Foreign Ministries.
Because of the way Swiss nationality works. If you have Swiss nationality either through marriage, mixed parentage or what amounts to straight-up purchase, you're not expected to give up your "other half".
After all, you're...
1) Not really, really Swiss, and more "barely Swiss enough" (maybe your grandkids might get considered Really Swiss™, as long as they come from a continued, double-line of Swiss nationals — a multi-generational mortgage on a family home/farm, however, helps). See the Chaplin clan for an example.
2) Who you are. Requiring people to turn in their original birth and/or bloodline nationality upon becoming Barely Swiss is seen as... just plain wrong to the vast majority of Swiss. That's like... messing too much with your family identity. That's... No. No. No. Family history and background (for good or ill) is important, yo. Time gets there; no point to rush. And, one never knows when it might be expedient to e.g. use your Italian/ French/ German/ Austrian family connections to nip across the border to escape an invasion, religious persecution or whatever as an honest-to-goodness 1/4 whatever with citizenship rights just until things calm down and you or your grandkids can come back home... (pragmatism: very Swiss).
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Um. Dunno about books. I lived in Switzerland. (Permit B upgraded from the orIginal C.) Swiss culture and bureaucracy tends to think in family units across generations, not just individuals. I know of one South African family who had thought they were of German decent, but found original documentation from their ancestor and his sister which proved them actually from Lucerne to the point where they could find their living Swiss relatives. They now have regained the Swiss half of their nationality, even though still in South Africa. Family is important... even estranged family who left in a huff, although nobody alive now knows exactly what the argument was about. 
edited 29th Jul '16 1:25:45 PM by Euodiachloris
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The Swiss mindset on these things certainly sounds interesting. Any good books or resources I can get my hands on to learn about them?
Also managed to get accused of being a terrorist sympathizer for suggesting that The Sun's latest "undercover terrorist reveal" was of little journalistic merit by dint of only being news to morons who had their noses buried in Page 3 until several months ago due to the 24 hour news networks' obsessive coverage of everything guaranteeing some knowledge for everyone else.
edited 29th Jul '16 12:49:41 PM by Krieger22
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It actually violates international law to leave someone stateless, it's a serious crime, however if they have another nationality you're not leaving them stateless.
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But can't a person voluntarily make themselves Stateless?
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Funny, when Canada tried to do this there was a huge uproar.
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And it was probably unconstitutional, due to applying a different punishment to duel citizens for the same crime.
I think the only precedent for losing Canadian citizenship is if it was obtained under false premises or if it is voluntarily surrendered.
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The US is the only place I specifically know of where renouncing one's citizenship without having another is allowed - the State Department has a whole section in its Foreign Affairs Manual about stressing how difficult it might be but explicitly states that a person has the right to give up US Citizenship.
The article on Saudi Arabaian nationality states it's illegal for a Saudi citizen to give up their citizenship without government permission. (I don't mean to pick on Saudi Arabia in particular - I'm assuming there are other countries with similar laws.)
edited 29th Jul '16 3:35:33 PM by megarockman
Which is surprising, considering how much America loves it's patriotism and tends to dislike anything that is not American.
edited 29th Jul '16 3:36:12 PM by Bat178
Of course that's hard to enforce if an individual has already immigrated and been granted citizenship in another country.
edited 29th Jul '16 3:38:25 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
I believe it's a consequence of Afroyim v. Rusk (basically, Congress can't make any law that would strip US citizenship from a person unless he explicitly relinquishes it).
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Germany goes after the ideological epicenter of extremism: https://www.neweurope.eu/article/germany-goes-ideological/
“We will not put up with Salafist associations and their backers flouting our rules and bringing our rule of law into question and convincing young people that they want to join the so-called IS,” Lower Saxony’s Interior Minister Boris Pistorius said.
Hildesheim is the epicenter of a home-grown movement of German-speaking Islamists. German authorities are attempting to crackdown on radical Salafist ideology following a string of attacks motivated in two cases by Islamist militancy. There is a pool of 8.900 Salafists in recent years, up from 7,000 in 2014 Reuters reports.
Members of the mosque in Lower Saxony have fought in Syria and Iraq as volunteers and there is hate-preaching and incitement to jihad, according to the Interior Ministry of Lower Saxony.
Taking on Salafism has become a rising priority as the nature of terrorism is moving from hierarchical organizations to “brand name” terrorism in which a small number of individuals pledge allegiance and act on their own initiative. In this scheme, terrorist organizations like IS claim the terrorist rather than responsibility for the terrorist act.
In September 2014, the Islamic State spokesman Abu Muhammed al-Adnani issued an audiotaped appeal calling on sympathizers to single out “infidels” and use whatever means they have at their disposal to kill civilians.
Apparently, the ideological foundation for this call came from Abu Musab al-Suri, a Syrian al Qaeda veteran, who worked with bin Laden and Zawahiri in the 1990s. He urged for “individual jihad” by which Western civilians are targeted with a movement linked together by principles, not organization.
It's highly likely that extremist agents never expected this kind of raid; none of them were prepared to resist with force. Usually when raiding Salafist strongholds there would be armed members fighting back, but it seems in this case they never even considered the possibility of the police going after them directly.
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This sounds less like a threat to retaliate against ISIS and more like a threat against local Muslims.
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