Unclear Description: Peace And Love Incorporated

Uh oh!

Can a mod revert that in good faith? Sorry!

Reverted it manually.

Otherwise, has anyone other than Morgan objections against my previous description proposal? We don't usually crowner such decisions, btw.

I did have a description idea of my own, and regardless of anything else I think "They frequently hide questionable business practices behind 'environmental initiatives'" is less than clear.

That description looks to me just like "too short".

I did say it was just replacing the first two paragraphs of yours. I would go for some sort of synthesis of mine and yours.

I added a few things as well.

"This corporation has a non-business record that sounds to good to be true - and is too good to be true.

They often are a MegaCorp, but they effectively hide it behind weasel words and concepts that sound appealing to the average joe. They frequently hide questionable and often malevolent and ignoble business practices behind "environmental initiatives" and general We Care advertising campaigns.

Kind of a subtrope of Villain with Good Publicity. See also Corrupt Corporate Executive, who is often at the helm of such a business. "

What does everyone think of this slightly modified version?

edited 13th Aug '13 3:51:39 PM by SmytheOrdo

I like it. Much easier to understand and does away with sinkholing, though I'm still not sure on keeping the "environmental initiatives" part.

"They frequently hide questionable and often malevolent and ignoble business practices behind 'environmental initiatives'"

This does not fix the main problem with the phrase's appearance in Septimus' description. In the current description, "environmental initiatives" are an example of "linguistic impact lesseners"; this version could be read as "environmental initiatives", whatever they are, being an integral part of the trope, though it is harder here than in Septimus' version where it could be read as corporations regularly burning the evidence of their misdeeds and claiming they're "environmental initiatives".

So what would fit better?

I just say remove it. If not, change it to indicate that they erase the evidence, but I'm not sure if it's necessary.

I can go with @32's description.

Alright. We ready for a crowner?

I'm not sure if this needs a crowner. I'm not even sure what a crowner would entail. Let's stick to discussion.

Once again, not a fan of the scare quotes phrases because plenty of those are going to be on the Self Demonstrating page anyway.

edited 19th Aug '13 4:44:14 PM by Mikurufan

I don't agree that "They are going to be on Y too, so they don't belong on X" is a good logic to use here.

I think my description is good, but am open to suggestions.

"They frequently hide questionable and often malevolent and ignoble business practices behind nice-sounding euphemisms and general We Care advertising campaigns."

"They frequently hide questionable and often malevolent and ignoble business practices behind euphemisms like "environmental initiatives" and general We Care advertising campaigns."

Thoughts on these third sentences?

"nice sounding euphemism" is a pleonasm. I would prefer the second one.

I just felt plain "euphemisms" was too short. I was trying to get across how "environmental initiatives" sounds positive and not merely neutral (like "linguistic impact lesseners").

Alright. What to do about that last hangup.

Still support removing all the scare quote euphemisms.

There seems to be much disagreement here, yet not much discussion. Should this be crownered?

I think so. Too much disagreement gets us nowhere.

Yeah, maybe we'll have to go back to that.

Page Action crowner.

Hooked.