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 26 Star Valkyrie, Wed, 25th Sep '13 7:30:49 PM Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Did some example clean-up - mostly removed the obvious non-examples, natter, and typos, then combined the two separate lists. Here's a couple of examples that I am not sure are actually this trope.

  • In Thor, the eponymous hero saves Asgard (his world) and Juntenheim (the Frost Giants' world) from danger in the climax. One could even argue that he saved Earth (Midgard) as well since Loki was making plans to visit that realm when he was finished subjugating Asgard and blowing up Juntenheim.
  • The Kingdom Hearts series, with a plethora of worlds.
    • Played with, in this case. The universe/ multiverse of Kingdom Hearts is literally called The World, which our protagonists do have a place in. Every part of The World is equally threatened during their adventures, at about the same time that the world hopping begins.
I don't think these are actually "both worlds" for the purposes of the trope - all these are realms within the same verse, always. Their connectedness is a normal feature so they're practically countries that share a continent (just a strange-looking continent). How separate do these "worlds" need to be to qualify as an example of this trope?

  • In Star Trek TOS, an ion storm switches three crewman with their evil duplicates who happened to be in an identical spaceship, orbiting the exact same planet and were about to transport at the exact same moment. This is a common occurrence in alternate universes on TV and in movies. No matter what the people are doing they are usually in the same jobs in the same places at the same time. This alternate universe was used in both Star Trek DS:9 and Star Trek Enterprise, which had the genesis of the evil empire in the evil universe by changing what happened in {{Star Trek: First Contact}}.
  • This was spoofed in South Park where characters from the "evil universe" come through (easily identified by their goatees and bad split screen) except the "evil Cartman" was a good guy and not a jerk.
The first example is right that this is a distinct trope in its own right. It seems like it should be mentioned in the description for those limited cases where they are related (ex: when the plot is that both the good guys save the evil world from itself and the evil guys are stopped from destroying the good world). Do we have this one already? I feel like I've seen it but can't seem to find it again.

 27 nrjxll, Wed, 25th Sep '13 11:07:21 PM Relationship Status: Not war
How separate do these "worlds" need to be to qualify as an example of this trope?

I think it's less about the specific terminology used and more about how distinct the "worlds" are, with the usual difference being "our world" and "the other world". Of your examples there, Thor might qualify because there's a very sharp divide between Asgard and Jotunheim, whereas Kingdom Hearts definitely wouldn't as the protagonists regularly travel from one world to another.

[up] Yes there has to be a sharp distinction between the two. It has been a sharp cut off or we'll be bogged down in scales.
 
I think if there are two separate threats to the two worlds, they're probably at least thematically connected even if plot-wise they're two different problems.

edited 28th Sep '13 1:53:18 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 30 Willbyr, Mon, 28th Oct '13 6:50:24 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Clock is set.
Did we get a crowner for this yet? Do we even need one?
What is there to vote on? We're just cleaning up the description, don't think any competing alternatives have been suggested.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Is anyone doing that?

I added a summarizing line to the top of the description. Standard quick-fix for an Example as a Thesis. Feel free to tweak as necessary.

Rewriting descriptions for clarity doesn't need TRS consensus, so I think we can move this over to Save Both Worlds Discussion.

edited 29th Oct '13 2:13:19 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 35 Septimus Heap, Fri, 1st Nov '13 12:49:40 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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The clock 's up; given that the description was refined, I am fine with closing this.

 36 StarSword, Fri, 1st Nov '13 5:12:10 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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That Star Trek example is way longer than it needs to be (lose the sentence about First Contact), and the later series turned it into a subversion via Nice Job Breaking It, Hero: after Mirror Spock reformed the Terran Empire, the Klingons and Cardassians conquered and enslaved them.
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