DC Extended Universe

idk, it's just the perpetual storytelling format that's been a thing for a long time and which the two companies have kept, but which doesn't really make anything beyond comedy or adventure very effective.

They have their ups and downs. Don't have much use for New 52 Teen Titans for example, but I enjoy New 52 Wonder Woman.

I'm with Eagal. Retcons can have good and bad effects, and the New 52 is overall hit-and-miss. Hopefully it'll improve.

Connections and the sandbox.

Seems like a reasonable approach. I do like that Snyder is letting the others some creative liberty.

How is this different from MCU? Honest question, not paying full attention to the stuff that isn't the movies, so I'm unsure.

Directors have lesser say so in the MCU compared to normal movies like Mad Max, Fast and Furious or other movies and most nowadays don't want to come back for new movies(aside from the teams behind Cap 2(who're making Cap 3 and IW 1 and 2), Gotg1(who is making Gotg2) and Avengers 1(who made Avengers 2)). It's more of a corporate controlled type of universe instead of this which looks to be a more creator friendly universe. We'll have to see which works best.

edited 29th Jul '15 10:16:49 AM by LordofLore

Oh, thanks.

Thor and First Avenger are the only instances so far of a director so far not returning for the second film.

edited 29th Jul '15 9:40:22 AM by Tuckerscreator

Gail Simone has been asked for advice about Wonder Woman. She did a goid run of the books, right?

edited 29th Jul '15 9:58:25 AM by LordofLore

The claims about the "controlling Marvel Studio" are most likely blown out of proportion. Whedon was frustrated after Age of Ultron, but he sounded very different after The Avengers. Wright left the Ant-Man project, but he had years to realize "his" vision and Marvel allowed him again and again to delay the movie until his ideas didn't fit into the MCU anymore. Fact is that James Gunn had apparently no trouble to make Got G "his" movie and he is currently very excited about working on the second part. And then there is the Captain America franchise. Marvel picked the first director because he was especially apt in portraying the 1940s, but that was naturally not a talent needed for the sequels, and replacing him with the Russou brothers was the only major change they ever did. Otherwise the whole franchise was done by one team (and that includes Agent Carter).

Either way, since nay-sayers have found something to complain about concerning Marvel, DC now naturally takes great care to emphasise that they are different. That seems to be their strategy. It actually reminds me a little bit of the way Elementary was marketed. CBS basically looked what the audience didn't like about the highly popular Sherlock and then said "we do exactly the opposite of that".

Yep, Gail Simone's run was really good. It was, in fact, pretty much the only good run since Greg Rucka left the book until the New 52 (and that, of course, depends on if you like the New 52 interpretation).

But there's also the fact that Gail Simone actually wrote the animated Wonder Woman movie.

Yes Simone wrote WW from 2008-2010. Her run started out solid, but collapsed in quality due to executive meddling.

I don't remember any executive meddling or collapse in quality. I do admit liking her first story arc ("The Circle") a lot, but there were others that were just as good.

She's also the one who wrote, "If you need to stop an asteroid, you call Superman. If you need to solve a mystery, you call Batman. But if you need to end a war, you call Wonder Woman."

edited 29th Jul '15 10:05:47 AM by alliterator

That quote perfectly describes what I hope will be the basis of the cinematic version of Wonder Woman: her role as an ambassador. Lately, comics of her seem to only concern themselves with the warrior aspect of her character, so I hope the movies bring back her diplomatic side.

That's an awesome statement, and help Wonder Woman to be defined better as different than Batman and Superman aside from Ms. Fanservice.

True. I love seeing her as a warrior, but yeah, they tend to forget her ambassador part and the more compassionate side her character.

Wonder Woman will be filmed in London this Fall.

To quote a certain movie character: it's about damn time.

That's good to know^^ I really hope she will have the honor of being one of the first female superhero movies to not suck.

"One of"? Have they ever made a female superhero movie that didn't suck?

Does Agent Carter count?

Legally no, so...

Well, I am not sure which of Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel will come out first...

I think the biggest obstacle to the success of a Wonder Woman movie will be her rogues gallery, because let's face it, her gallery sucks. Hard. It's painful reading her list of enemies, almost every one of whom makes me wonder, "well who the hell is this?" The only ones with any amount of importance are Ares, Circe, Cheetah, and Dr. Psycho, and even half of those guys are boring as fuck.

I wouldn't say "boring", as that depend of how you handle them, but yeah, a lot of them feel a bit outdated. As a whole, her greek mythology opponents are fine, but the rest feels a bit all over the place, and hard to adapt in a movie.

Personally, that's just my theory, but to really be iconic, villains need to have a connection to the hero either by being a dark reflection of them or by representing something they opppose. Batman's enemies are iconic because they all represent a specific aspect of the madness and the corruption he fight in Gotham, or his own madness for the matter. Lex Luthor represents everything ugly about Humanity and Brainiac everything ugly about aliens, both things Superman represents the best of. Zod represents Superman's link to his past and Krypton's destruction. And so on. Maybe by applying that logic on Wonder Woman's rogue gallery...

edited 29th Jul '15 5:51:14 PM by Theokal3

Superheros don't need a great rogues gallery to have great movies, they just need to have one or two good villains, and Wonder Woman has at least that.

Even guys who have good rogues galleries (Batman, Superman) end up with the same baddies appearing over and over again anyway (Do we really always need Joker/Luthor/Zod?)