Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

How many ways could Superman kill Batman if he really wanted too(he wouldn't)?

Heat vision, throw an object at high speed towards him, carry him to the stratosphere where he can't breathe, drop him from a high height, punch him, break his neck, fly into him at high speed, drop a heavy rock on him, and so on

How many ways to contain with out killing Batman(assuming lack of kryptonite)?

Just pick him up, quickly find a large cage and drop it on top and then slide something sturdy under the bottom, wait until he gets tired and then pick him up

Now, if Batman has kryptonite and Clark actually used some strategy for once...

Oh forget it. Clark doesn't know how to non-lethally(and without harming Batman at all) defeat Batman with kryptonite. And since Clark doesn't want to risk hurting/killing Bruce, Batman wins with kryptonite due to Clark being a good kid that is not good at tactics!

Pull an Injustice and punch through Batman's chest like he did to the Joker in Injustice.

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure

So you want to know how Superman can stop Batman if Batman has Kryptonite? Well, there is one way that's pretty simple and Batman won't be able to stop: send Wonder Woman.

See? I told you it was simple.

Isn''t that what happened in the Knightmare? Or did Bruce "just" get his heart ripped out? Yes, he could do any kind of horrible physical tortore to Bruce, But unless he was Brain Washed And Crazy, he wouldn't ever do it. Considering that Dick Grayson is a good person like Clark, how would a fight between them go? Neither would want to hurt the other, so there wouldn't be a physical fight.

Assuming Superman knows Bruce has kryptonite and doesn't want to kill him, he can just float miles above him in the air and heat vision his arms and utility belt off.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

No maiming Batman. It would be funny if he could heat vision the belt without harming Bruce. And then just wait until he gets tired.

Clark: Hey, I just got rid of your kryptonite! Now what?

Bruce: You owe me a new utility belt. Bye!

Clark then follows Batman all over Gotham.

Bruce: Stop following me.

Clark: Okay. *flies down and picks Batman up*

Bruce: Put. Me. Down!

Clark: Not untill you admit I won the fight!

Bruce: What fight?

Clark: I just wanted a second round.

Bruce: Not fair.

edited 25th Aug '16 11:36:20 AM by bookworm6390

The only way Batman with Kryptonite can win is the first time.

Because afterwards, Superman knows that he has the Kryptonite. In some continuities, he gave Bats the stuff.

So if Superman turns bad, he's gunning for Batman and killing him before Batman can say 'Oh shi--'

The only reason Batman ever stands a chance is because writers write Superman lacking critical thinking, despite having a Bachelor's in journalism.

Now why hasn't Bruce thought of that? Though, the kryptonite might be for when Clark is Brainwashed and Crazy. The Power of Friendship is the only thing Bruce could use to keep Superman from going rogue. If it weren't for Plot Armor, Batman would have died from his regular crime fighting.

Clark: Here. You can keep the kryptonite just in case.

Bruce: Wait. Now you know I have the kryptonite and could use it. Meaning that I likely wouldn't even have the chance to use it before you turn me into a bloody smear on the ground.

Clark: I would never do that!

Bruce: Then what's the point of the kryptonite? If you somehow did turn evil, I wouldn't be able to stop you. The first thing you'd do is kill the guy with your weakness so he can't use it against you.

Clark: Well, what if I was brainwashed into being bad?

Bruce: You can't be forced to do anything that is strongly against your morals. So, we'd have a super-powered prankster or jerk on our hands. You'd snap out of it if Lois were in danger.

Clark: Okay. I still want to make sure someone can't use it on me unexpectedly.

Well, congrats Bruce, you just lost your element of surprise by using krptonite to fight Superman when he was a good guy and you were being a bully. Seriously, kryptonite works the best the first time. Batman really shouldn't have wasted the kryptonite grenades on Superman, but he couldn't have known that he would need them for Doomsday. Well, maybe use a little kryptonite for testing purposes, but that would be a possible bad idea.

edited 26th Aug '16 7:52:46 AM by bookworm6390

Random thoughts.

For all my disapproval of this film, it has some of my favorite action sequences among superhero films I've seen.

In particular, I'm fucking in love with these 6 seconds.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

any reason for your disaproval? I will like opinion for other users since many pro and conts have been the same users, I will like your opinion

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

I doubt that there is anything I can say that wasn't said before, but if I am to elaborate anyway, it most boils down to:

• The irrational plot progression that relies on insane coincidences and gambits.
• Way too many characters and plot threads in one movie.
• Can we please have some goddamn colors? Even The Bourne Trilogy and The Dark Knight Saga had wider range of color platte than this.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

The film is certainly just beautifully shot and directed in that regard. I honestly feel it could be up to be nominated for Oscars in cinematography, visual effects and/or production design.

The only time I felt that the movie had any decent cinematography was during the fight scenes, all of which are spectacular I must add, but that's a realm of subjectivity.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

Hey, dRoy. Glad you've hopped on the DCEU bandwagon!

My favorite thing about those 6 seconds is how the minute Superman joins the battle an entire section of the abandoned dock gets blown up, even though Wonder Woman was fighting Doomsday a bit without causing even a 10th that much collateral damage.

Which version of the movie did you watch, by the way? Theatrical or Ultimate?

edited 3rd Sep '16 12:41:44 AM by Cruherrx

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

Theatrical.

The film failed to meet my expectations...but I don't think it's an utter disaster that some people think it is either. I'd give the film about two and half stars out of four, and honestly, it wasn't a waste of time and money for me. I heard that the Ultimate version is much better, so I intend to check it out as well.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

The Ultimate Edition is how man was meant to watch Bv S. Initially, I liked the theatrical version a lot because I could fill in the blanks, but after seeing the Ultimate Edition I've come to despise it. If the Ultimate Edition is a well-preserved cadaver, the theatrical version is that same cadaver cut up into several pieces, and then stitched back together by an 8 year old.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

I found the entire movie filled with amazing imagery in general, it didn't suddenly kick in for the action scenes like a lot of films. Scenes like this one.

As for the Ultimate Edition, it has changed some opinions. It seems to depend on if your issue with the movie is in the flow of the story and time spent with the characters or if it is the basic premise and overall tone. The basic story was told in the theatrical cut, the UE just adds some clarification and overall better shapes the basic story. Notably, a number of Clark scenes were added back in, making the film better balanced between Batman and Superman instead of leaning slightly towards Batman.

The theatrical version is a Batman movie with Superman. The Ultimate Edition is very much a Superman story, featuring Batman.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

What I like about the discussion is that it present the final viewpoint

"Maybe he is not a devil or a jesus christ like chararter, maybe he is just a guy who wants to help" right there that is major point

Also I think the better parts(and Synder forte) are scene with little to almost no dialogue, like metropolist scene or Batman in the dugegon(which for me the first time I get why he is so scary) now that was awsome

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Except that's not what anybody says — and, in fact, this is contradicted by the movie itself, which treats him as a Christ-like character.

Ironically the Ultimate Edition made me more upset at the movie than the theatrical release. Mostly because there was stuff in it that should have been in the theatrical version, but instead it was relegated to the cinematic equivalent of On-Disc DLC. Also the UE has a lot more filler in it that could have still been cut out (like extra second to scenes), and it still doesn't answer some questions like how come Lex knows all their secret identities.

Also, this just bothered me: Why didn't Lex make a Kryptonite bomb and put it in the wheel chair? I mean, a small dirty bomb would have killed Superman in that courtroom right then and there.

edited 3rd Sep '16 9:17:00 AM by thatdude

Because he doesn't just want him dead he wants him hated and discredited first.

The ultimate end is to kill him. Why should he care about discrediting him if he orchestrated this vast and convoluted plan just to kill him? Maybe there some some explanation when he droned out his Collage Introduction to Philosophy every other scene he was in, but I didn't catch it. Some how this movie makes Lex both smarter and yet dumber than his comic counterpart.

Seriously if his end goal was to get Supes into that courtroom just to kill him that would have been a brilliant plan. But no, he wants him to fight Batman for... some reason. And if that doesn't work? Well, he'll just make this nigh-unkillable, highly destructive cave troll that he can't control to do it for... some reason.

And Doomsday is the worst part of this movie for me. You could have easily replaced him with Metallo and it would have worked out so well, and would make logical sense. The wheelchair guy could have been Metallo as he has the motivation to want to fight Superman and would probably jump at the chance to walk again, and with access to both Kryptonian tech and Kryptonite it would have been easy to make robotic body capable of taking on Superman.

edited 3rd Sep '16 10:32:00 AM by thatdude

Evil Kryptonians are terrifying. Angry Kryptonians are scary. If Clark is just flying around and helping people, that isn't scary. You really don't want to make a Flying Brick angry.

So why not just get people to distrust him enough to lure him into the courtroom and then use a Kryptonite dirty bomb to kill him? It's what comic Lex would probably do in movie Lex's position.

edited 3rd Sep '16 10:34:43 AM by thatdude