Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

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Not the first time Luthor's looked like something undead, at least if we count his clone on Smallville◊

edited 27th Mar '15 10:36:56 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Why was Luthor on Smallville?

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He was there to be the best goddamn thing on the entire show.

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Because they were running with the version of the backstory that had him grow up in Smallville, being friends with Clark/Superboy.

Personally I always thought his dad was the best thing on the show. John Glover turned Lionel Luthor into that show's signature bad guy, overshadowing pretty much every villain who came after him, including Lex. And while you could make a good case that in doing so, he hurt the show, it was still one Hell of a performance.

Yeah, Silver Age Superboy stories had Luthor growing up in Smallville, and originally wanting to help Superboy out with his inventions. His inventions kept going wrong, however, and ultimately one of them led to his losing his hair. Luthor blamed Superboy for turning people against him (thinking that he'd sabotaged Luthor's inventions to keep public adulation for himself). As much as people like to say that Silver-Age Luthor hated Superman because "Superman made him bald," the actual reason is a bit more nuanced. He'd convinced himself that his failures weren't his fault, that Superboy was a selfish, sabotaging gloryhound, and that Superboy had actively turned people against him. The story that introduced young Luthor also tried to make a point that Luthor's dad was a travelling salesman, and thus was not around to try to guide his son or steer him away from self-pity. So Silver Age Luthor's real reason for hating Superman was that he needed someone to blame for not getting what he thought he deserved.

Birthright and Johns' Secret Origin also run with the idea of Luthor growing up in Smallville, with a horribly abusive father, and hating and resenting most of the town for not doing anything about it.

How very Von Doom of him.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

You know, it's weird sometimes the train of thought your mind takes. I was editing Adaptational Modesty and was thinking about all the different Wonder Woman design changes to try and make it seem more practical (between turtlenecks, tight pants, jacket, etc). I realized that for Dawn of Justice they kept the same basic design but the simple fact they are not trying to squeeze a well endowed actress into the suit or pad up Gadot a la what they did for Tomb Raider, it actually looks like the outfit fits her and is not carefully tailored to be just shy of a Wardrobe Malfunction.

I think it's less that she's not particularly well-endowed or that they haven't padded her as that last bit. They could have done the same thing for a well endowed or padded up actress. For this Wonder Woman, though, they've elected to make the costume look like armor, rather than a bathing suit or a Playboy Club hostess outfit.

Well that's horrible. Who would think up such a terrible idea? I don't like this.

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Giving an amazon greek warrior proper armor is a terrible idea?

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Probably the same people who thought that the best way to introduce Superman to a new generation was to have him screaming and moping.

Pot-shots at Man of Steel aside, I don't see the issue. So she doesn't have giant boobs. I don't see the big deal.

Or was the thing I responded to sarcasm?

edited 29th Mar '15 2:29:41 PM by Pannic

Somewhat.

Superman and Batman's costumes leave little to the imagination, I demand equal fanservice.

You don't really need armor, and I say this half-seriously, when bullets and rockets bounce off your skin. Batman needs armor. Superman and Wonderwoman don't.

I mean, it makes sense that her culture would bother with armor but... Wonderwoman herself never really needed it in the first place, did she?

edited 29th Mar '15 2:36:48 PM by Soble

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It's also possible they're going to pull the same "ambassador from the warrior society" bit that she has in the Nu52, in which case the armor makes a lot of sense.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Oh, yeah. That's actually a pretty good point.

I'm pretty sure Wondy is still weak to bullets, otherwise she wouldn't be bothering with blocking them with her bracelets.

I'm not sure that Wonder Woman is Immune to Bullets. At least in the DCAU, it's implied that she'd be in as much trouble as a normal person if she was hit by a bullet- which is why luckily she's fast enough to doge bullets/have them bounce off of those wrist things she has.

Also, the reason why Wonder Woman and Superman wear armor is because that armor is tied into an origin among people at the same or greater strength level. Which is to say that Diana wears armor because so do the other Amazons and Clark is wearing Kryptonian armor.

edited 29th Mar '15 2:41:44 PM by Hodor2

Yeah, Diana wearing armour does make sense if you go on a cultural basis (she is an amazon, the amazons are warriors, they wear armour)rather than because it adds anything much to her abilities. Although I think in some versions the outfit is from the gods so actually does boost her own innate powers or something similar, though what the DCU is going to do with her origin vis a vis Greek deities is still not 100% clear unless I missed it.

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Wonder Woman has usually been on the Super-Toughness spectrum rather than Superman's Nigh-Invulnerable. A normal person wielding a normal sword swinging at full strength could possibly draw blood but not severely harm her. Like Superman, she wears her costume as a cultural thing as much as anything else.

I don't know, I bring it up because there is something refreshing about a mainstream Hollywood production not thinking [Big Boobs]+[lots of cleavage]+[tight costume]. Same thing with Lois in Man of Steel, Amy Adams doesn't need a revealing outfit to make us think she is attractive and pay attention to her character.

IIRC, Diana is pretty much invulnerable to blunt damage but vulnerable to piercing damage, although still far less than a normal human being would be.

The Smallville comic actually put it pretty succinctly. "Do you imagine I enjoy being shot??"

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Wondy looks pretty bulletproof to me.◊

It'd be weird if she wasn't considering, you know, she dishes it out with with Supes and other DC powerhouses. The invincible bracelets seem like something to show off with, or for things that are actually dangerous to her, like heat vision or powerful energy blasts.

edited 29th Mar '15 4:41:53 PM by Ekuran

The armor could be magic you know. Wonder Woman fights gods and mythical beings sometimes so even if she doesn't need it to defend against bullets she probably wears it anyway on the off chance she needs it.

Which story is that from? She probably isn't invulnerable in all incarnations, or else there would be no reason for her to block bullets. Which she does; she does save them for merely energy blasts.