Looks like a tie vote, and it's been froze that way for a while now.
We'll either need a runoff crowner or calling as "no consensus" here if things don't change.
Going to support the latter in that case, since none of the options has a 2/1 ratio and it's suspect to use a runoff crowner to force a certain outcome.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Can a runoff counter have a third "do nothing" option?
I haven't made any such runoff crowner. I also have problems with using "do nothing" options because if we end up with no consensus we don't do anything even if the "do nothing" option is red.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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No, because "do nothing" has been soundly voted down. A runoff crowner is to decide between two or more options that all have roughly the same amount of support. "Do Nothing" doesn't have anywhere near the same level of support as the top two.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
I interpreted the post as having to do with "do nothing" not fitting in the crowner. I'm okay with it not being supported.
edited 2nd Aug '13 11:28:36 AM by MikuruFan
I'm with Heap, this might be one we have to call a do nothing on. There's not enough support cutting examples over keeping them to make the change to it.
"Do nothing" has been soundly voted down, however. It seems equally suspect to implement a result that most people don't actually want solely because of procedural reasons.
I remember using that argument more than one year ago in an Image Pickin' thread. I recall that the administrator himself said that it doesn't fly. I have never seen it being used successfully anywhere else, either, which is why I made that conclusion.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The "do nothing" option is at -7 votes. It's very obvious that people feel something should be done, and it's equally obvious what the two choices they prefer are, even they can' decide between them. It's completely ridiculous that the decision following from this would be "doing nothing".
I've always understood Image Pickin' as having a different standard for these things, anyway.
It also feels like it's a situation that can be manipulated by a "don't do anything" minority — just get together and make sure that the voting is kept even enough that no one course of action has consensus.
Normally, I wouldn't think anyone would care enough to go to such lengths, but if the Internet's taught me anything, it's that people will do a lot even if it's only stupid irrelevant crap at stake. ;)
Anyway, as to the current situation, I'm not sure I understand the reason NOT to do a runoff. Why is it harmful or bad to do so?
Speaking personally, I would have no problems with upvoting both green options.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The deal is, someone made the thread because THEY wanted a change, if not even people support making the change, the change shouldn't be made. It's not to choices of the options, it's the new idea challenging the way the page already is. If it can't make the cut in votes, it shouldn't be implemented.
More than enough people support making a change, and the majority explicitly do not support making no change. They just can't decide between two proposals for it.
I am really start wishing we had a general TRS Policy Topic like Image Pickin' has, given this argument...
Anyhow, I have no issue with waiting a bit longer, in case of any changes.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
It should be noted that the "do nothing" option was added later, about a day after the crowner is hooked. I commented the "Keep Completed Fic separate and with examples" looks like a "Do nothing" option with awkward wording, but a separate one was just added.
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The funny thing is that I, at least, don't even have a passionate interest in the fate of this page. I just think it's ridiculous that we could consider not doing anything about it when that's obviously not the result most people want.
edited 2nd Aug '13 2:12:13 PM by nrjxll
Both green options have a better than 3:2 ratio. We're fine.
Gentleman Troper!
Yeah, this clearly needs a runoff crowner.
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
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^^ On trope repair, we look for a 2:1 ratio, not 3:2. Neither are there yet. I'm going to call this crowner, and make a run-off crowner between the two options in the red.
edited 2nd Aug '13 3:34:38 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
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Runoff crowner is hooked. Commence voting.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Aren't runoff crowners supposed to be one option so that people are forced to choose a single item?
edited 2nd Aug '13 4:16:21 PM by MikuruFan
A split down the middle isn't "most people", it's just like voting for a policy change somewhere, if the change can't get the majority vote it doesn't pass. In this case cutting the example would be the change(because it's already being used as a index, as per what was decided in Ask The Tropers)
edited 2nd Aug '13 4:29:23 PM by shoboni
How is the index option different from "Do nothing"?
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What would be the best way to fix the page?
Looks like we're developing a direct split up the middle so far, interesting.