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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#1: Jun 25th 2013 at 6:00:07 PM

So we have a problem. There's a massive police effort to round up migrants, to an unresonable and inhumane degree.

And it's not just immigrants. Apparently, anyone "undesirable" is being caught in the sweep. This include drug users, women in the sex industry, homeless people, and trans* people.

Here are some more links, reblogged by one of our own.

Anyone else have more information on this situation (since US news media seems to be avoiding this)—and possible ways to help fight this?

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#2: Jun 25th 2013 at 8:28:00 PM

And so history repeats. This is not good, not good at all.

Screw the Golden Dawn.

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#3: Jun 25th 2013 at 8:30:43 PM

That is not a good thing at all. We can only hope they don't go for the final solution approach.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#4: Jun 25th 2013 at 8:32:44 PM

An unfortunate side-effect of hard times, really. When "good" people are suffering, it's easy to question why society tolerates the marginal groups draining all-too-precious resources, leading to action against them.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#5: Jun 25th 2013 at 8:37:38 PM

[up]Yes... but a lot of those "undesirables" were, until very recently "good". tongue Punishing them more for... what? Not having money,a place to stay and/or enough optimism to face the day undrugged? How's this a help?

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#6: Jun 25th 2013 at 8:37:50 PM

The question becomes who is the next group to become "marginal" and how far are they going to take what they are doing.

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Ringsea He Who Got Gud from Fly-Over Country,USA Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#7: Jun 25th 2013 at 9:04:30 PM

And the UN will do little to nothing.

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AnSTH Lawful Evil Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#8: Jun 25th 2013 at 9:19:10 PM

The cradle of Western civilization in the modern world. How's that for tragedy? :(

But that's a story for another time.
IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#9: Jun 25th 2013 at 9:37:52 PM

Shared on Facebook. People need to know about this.

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#10: Jun 25th 2013 at 10:25:38 PM

Just did the same.

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#11: Jun 26th 2013 at 6:33:05 AM

The cradle of Western civilization in the modern world.

It's not as if we haven't had Greece in a situation like this in living memory. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go a few decades back and despair...

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#12: Jun 26th 2013 at 6:46:27 AM

There was worse then that.

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demarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#13: Jun 26th 2013 at 9:10:47 AM

I remember the US doing almost exactly the same thing in the wake of 9/11.

I dont see any further news coverage of this. Anyone have an update?

AnSTH Lawful Evil Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#14: Jun 26th 2013 at 9:14:12 AM

[up][up] &[up][up][up] Yeah. One of my college professors had us watch the film Z to expand on the whole horrible modern history of Greece.

Here's a somewhat relevant video about how civilizations have tended to fall after golden ages (not very fundamentalist friendly). Neil De Grasse Tyson explains my view much better than I can.

edited 26th Jun '13 9:14:36 AM by AnSTH

But that's a story for another time.
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demarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#16: Jun 26th 2013 at 11:42:02 AM

This is not exactly the same topic, but protests appear to be spreading in Greece in reaction against the austerity program (itself an outcome of the Greek budget crisis):

Wave of protests engulfs Greece

Here is another update on the Human Rights Watch report. As far as I can tell, there have been no protest actions in relation to this.

An American Jewish conference held in Washington recently apparently confronted the Greek Foreign Minister on this issue.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#17: Jun 26th 2013 at 11:47:12 AM

Fuck.

EDIT: I just clicked on the Wikipedia article for the Greek Civil War. Did I seriously see a picture of a lynched man hanging in broad daylight???

I.....have no words.

edited 26th Jun '13 11:50:05 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

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AnSTH Lawful Evil Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#18: Jun 26th 2013 at 11:59:22 AM

Lynched man hanging in broad daylight? That's nothing. The police were actively leading the citizens in some of those lynchings.

But that's a story for another time.
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#19: Jun 26th 2013 at 12:05:34 PM

I..mean....I always think of that as being a Deep South thing. Or maybe the particular bad days in Russian History, the Holocaust, Bosnia. But Greece? The land of cute women and olives? I'm honestly shocked.

edited 26th Jun '13 12:14:42 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#20: Jun 26th 2013 at 12:14:50 PM

So more on the issue.

According to the information linked and presented, although there are no concentration camps, there are still transgender people being arrested for unjustified reasons.

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#21: Jun 26th 2013 at 12:16:41 PM

This sort of crap was bound to happen when you tear apart a country's economic infrastructure in the name of austerity and demand political concessions that have drastically negative consequences for its citizens as a condition of aid.

What happens is that people start supporting radical groups out of disillusionment with the majority parties. This is a historical constant. How could Europe's leaders not recognize this?

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midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#22: Jun 26th 2013 at 12:25:43 PM

Because people always assume stuff like the Nazis happened because germans were evil, not because of legitimate anger turning down a horrifically dark path.

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#23: Jun 26th 2013 at 4:43:57 PM

While I'm very sympathetic to the idea that austerity programs are based on bad economics and an even worse political process, I am also very leery of anything that sounds like giving autocratic regimes a free excuse for oppressing people.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#24: Jun 26th 2013 at 4:57:53 PM

Austerity doesn't explain why this happens, nor is it an excuse for the people doing this, but it can be a reason why people would support a popular movement that does this if that movement is also anti-austerity. If most of a movement's supporters don't care either way whether their movement is doing this sort of stuff the leaders can decide - and they probably had a violent agenda to begin with, and the anti-austerity (or anti-IMF or anti-EU) thing is just that movement jumping the bandwagon.

Any established radical movement can adopt any political agenda and rally people behind that agenda (and by proxy the movement) if the people joining or supporting it don't pay enough attention - which they won't in a time or crisis.

edited 26th Jun '13 4:58:12 PM by BestOf

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#25: Jun 27th 2013 at 8:37:34 AM

It's documented fact that politics get radicalised when the economy's in the shitter, and austerity measures have done quite a bit to keep the Greek economy there.

What's precedent ever done for us?

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