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MissKitten Luminescent Blush Since: Jul, 2012
#1: May 27th 2013 at 10:39:02 PM

What differentiates this trope from The President's Daughter or Living MacGuffin specifically? From the description alone it basically sounds like a Living MacGuffin except that its a young child. Perhaps this trope should be merged? Or Cut?

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#2: May 28th 2013 at 4:08:37 AM

I'm not seeing any distinction here, no.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#3: May 28th 2013 at 4:20:33 AM

This came up in the Trope Description Improvement Drive. I would just dump this article.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#4: May 28th 2013 at 7:28:23 AM

It looks like a mystical version of The President's Daughter. Which is a distinction I don't see a reason for making.

Move examples, cut page?

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#5: May 28th 2013 at 8:28:17 AM

[up] I agree.

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#6: May 28th 2013 at 8:33:58 AM

+1 to move the examples and cut it.

Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#7: May 28th 2013 at 8:37:09 AM

The description looks exactly like The President's Daughter. I support cut and merge.

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#8: May 28th 2013 at 8:42:20 AM

Yeah, cut and merge.

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#10: May 28th 2013 at 5:39:10 PM

There are only 38 wicks. We could change them all without having to make a redirect.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#11: May 28th 2013 at 5:44:10 PM

As names go The President's Daughter is definitely one of those that I will never respect, because it's named directly after only one version of itself, when the actual definition is cosmetically broader.

edited 28th May '13 5:44:31 PM by Stratadrake

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#12: May 28th 2013 at 6:01:53 PM

Oh, here's the difference: The President's Daughter is always female. Holy Child is not.

edited 28th May '13 7:13:06 PM by Rethkir

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#13: May 28th 2013 at 6:27:26 PM

It's in the lump of "women and children". Someone innocent who needs protecting.

I'd support a rename of The President's Daughter if that trope had significant misuse.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#14: May 28th 2013 at 7:09:23 PM

IMHO a Holy Child is much more of a "thing" than The President's Daughter. TPD isn't desirable for who they are, but instead used to manipulate the ones responsible over them. HC can go either way — they might actually have powers or value beyond their connections.

edited 28th May '13 7:10:37 PM by Stratadrake

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#15: May 29th 2013 at 4:29:21 AM

I can see a difference between one being important for what they are and possibly what powers they have, and the other for what connections they have. I don't think the descriptions support that, though.

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#16: May 29th 2013 at 7:05:08 AM

There's also that a Holy Child is also frequently a Chosen One of some flavor. No such thing with TPD.

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MissKitten Luminescent Blush Since: Jul, 2012
#17: May 30th 2013 at 1:57:20 PM

So Holy Child is basically someone who is sought after because of what they are? Don't we already have a trope for that?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#18: May 30th 2013 at 2:02:31 PM

MacGuffin Girl, but only ignoring the "transformation" bit.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#20: May 30th 2013 at 2:51:05 PM

That for me looks more like a person that is physically searched, not like a MacGuffin.

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MissKitten Luminescent Blush Since: Jul, 2012
#21: Jun 5th 2013 at 1:39:51 PM

So do we have a consensus to merge/cut?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#22: Jun 5th 2013 at 1:44:05 PM

I do not think we have consensus here, but I can't check as the connection keeps crawling.

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#23: Jun 23rd 2013 at 9:55:54 AM

I oppose merging this.

Is anyone going to suggest doing something with this page that isn't merging and purging?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#24: Jun 23rd 2013 at 10:08:40 AM

Well, for one thing, you may propose something yourself instead of demanding it from us.

I may recommit for keeping this, but I would have to analyze a bit further.

edited 23rd Jun '13 10:14:46 AM by SeptimusHeap

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#25: Jun 23rd 2013 at 10:21:43 AM

I don't have a change to propose, but it wasn't me who said this page "Needs Help."


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