Misused: Audio Erotica

It most certainly does.

It belongs there.

In that case I don't see anything wrong with Seduced By Their Voice.

X Filo's reasoning is that seduced means 'to entice into sex' and sex doesn't need to be a part of the trope.

To me, seduction often just implies temptation and arousal. It's why we have Subliminal Seduction and Shapeshifting Seducer.

Seduced is fine. The title isn't great but until we get something better it'll do.

... Tonguing Their Cochlea?

I think you took Xtifr's posts for mine ;-)

Given that we are leaning towards a rename, I'll ask for a rename crowner to be attached.

Crowner's hooked.

My complaint is not about "seduce" implying sex—far from it. You can seduce someone away from their duty with an offer of mere money. Sex is definitely not required.

My complaint is that "seduce" implies deliberate action. Merely being attractive is not seduction.

Attractive Voice then? Attracted To Their Voice?

In that case, I disagree more. I'd see what you meant if it were "Seducing Them With Their Voice", which implies deliberate action on the part of the speaker, but "Seduced By Their Voice" is passive in my opinion.

Also I apologize for getting you and X Filo mixed up.

Taking record:

5 (yeas:7 nays:2) 3.50 : 1

To wit, in case anyone is wondering about why it's being misused and wants a quick summation, it's because there is consistently about 50-75% misuse for this trope.

edited 25th May '13 10:09:20 PM by helterskelter

I'd rather take "Seduced By Their Voice" and make it Seductive Voice. That's still passive, isn't it?

Maybe, but I don't feel that's any better than Audio Erotica. In this trope, it's technically the reaction from other people that is important, and it's the fact that the title currently is just about how a voice sounds sexy just leads to people gushing.

Like I said, I actually like the current name. I think it's clever and sounds good. It just sounds like a gushing trope and therefore gets used as one. I'd rather the title sound slightly awkward and be used well than sound neat and be almost entirely misused.

edited 26th May '13 12:17:25 AM by helterskelter

I disagree that "Seduced by" is passive (except in the strictly grammatical sense). It still implies action on the part of the seducer. It's no more passive than "Shoved by". It implies someone actively seducing (or shoving). Which is not a necessary component of this trope, and thus misleading.

On top of that, "Seduced by" is an example of the passive voice (i.e. in the strictly grammatical sense), with an implied "he/she was..." at the front. Now, I have no problem with the passive voice. I think it's an extremely useful and powerful means of shifting emphasis, but some people dislike it on principal. So it might be better to avoid it if we can.

edited 26th May '13 6:29:52 PM by Xtifr

It's not that I don't see your point, but I think that it's simply not how most people will interpret that sentence. When it comes to personal emotions, people don't necessarily assume that the other person was trying to invoke them. For instance, when people say they were enraged by something, it is not required that the other person was trying to get them mad. Usually when it comes to emotional reactions, that is the case.

Being seduced isn't an emotional reaction, any more than being shoved is. It will usually involve an emotional reaction, but it's not an emotional reaction. "Shoved" works much better as an analogy than "enraged". "Seduced" implies an action—whether that action be sex, or betraying your company's secrets, or whatever. If you're merely attracted, you haven't been seduced.

Also, "seduced" doesn't imply sexiness, since someone can be seduced by money or power.

You can argue that people might be able to figure it out, but that's not a good reason to choose a misleading word. Tropes shouldn't have names that are so easily misinterpreted. We have better/clearer suggestions already.

I wonder how Audio Fanservice looks for a rename.

Fanservice is directed at the audience, so that's worse than what we have now.

My current favorite is Seductive Voice. It's shortand accurate. The description and bold heading already takes care of the In-Universe only part.

edited 29th May '13 1:18:16 PM by Rethkir

I think I have to withdraw my suggestion of Seduced By Their Voice because now that I think about it, that's just another way of saying "persuaded." It doesn't imply "sexy voice."

On the other hand, Seductive Voice does nothing to emphasize the trope's in-universe nature, which is this thread's goal.

How about Verbal Seduction as a new name for the trope? Along with a better description to make it clear that this is in-universe, that should work. Seductive Voice might work as well.

Verbal Seduction really sounds like it's about convincing someone to sleep with you with your words. Doesn't even sound like it's about your voice tone, just being really convincing.

It does sound a little more in-universe, it just doesn't sound like this trope.

... maybe just something simple like Acknowledged Audio Erotica? Or Complimented Sexy Voice? I mean, I can't really think of many other ways to make it clear that it has to be acknowledged in-universe.

edited 30th May '13 8:18:54 AM by Larkmarn

I suggested Attractive Voice or Attracted To Their Voice.

Attractive Voice sounds good. I'm just a bit unsure that it expresses the trope well. A person can have an "attractive" voice without it having the overtones which I believe the trope was meant to express.

That being said, a name which under-emphasises the trope would seem to be better than the alternative. We've already seen what happens with that.