Suggestion: Breast Attack

The pic on Breast Attack is a great pic, but the artist's galleries feature a lot of NSFW CGI pics of women in various stages of nudity beating the shit out of each other. I was thinking it might be better to replace it with something that would link to a work page here. To that end, here's a couple of takes on a scene from Change 123...thoughts?

Also: I'm not trying to set a precendent with this...we've got at least one other page where the pic's a SFW work from a dA artist with NSFW pics. It's this particular case that I think we can do with something different.

edited 25th May '14 8:06:18 AM by FastEddie

Don't you need an account and have the NSFW filter turned off if you want to see anything? As it stands, I don't think the suggestion is an improvement. Equally as good.

Well, the suggestion is at least better drawn.

I think it's less clear than the current.

Current is better.

The problem here is that the image source is NSFW, yes? When I have to source something outside of the wiki, I usually put it just into the page source.

I don't see how the artist's other works are an argument against the current image. Are we going to remove all page images of Buck Godot and Girl Genius because Phil Foglio also drew XX Xenophile?

The argument isn't "the other works from this artist fail the content policy so we should pull this image" (which isn't an argument at all), it's "this image can't be sourced without a NSFW link".

That combined with the generally unsettling content of that artist's work.

If the consensus is that this isn't an improvement then we can take another tack with the linking.

edited 10th Apr '13 3:54:26 AM by Willbyr

I like the "BOOB SLAP!" version. Big improvement over the current, IMO.

Greatly dislike boob slap and think the current is fine.

The only thing keeping me from posting the current on Eschergirls is that I'm not sure it meets the professionally-published guideline. #uneven-limbs #bizarre-anatomy #organless-torsos #pornface #odd-poses

edited 10th Apr '13 8:32:14 AM by Noaqiyeum

As far as illustrative ability goes, it would be a lateral move, but I personally prefer the suggestion because it's funnier.

I like the suggestion a whole lot more. Can't put my finger on why, but I feel that the current just looks... off.

edited 10th Apr '13 3:07:51 PM by Elbruno

The off-ness is probably related to what I mentioned about the artist's skills.

Left-hand girl's arms are too short, and she has an oddly-shaped torso and no stomach. She seems to be arching her back into the punch instead of flinching or pulling away like a normal person would (and like the girl in the suggestion is doing). Something's up with her shoulders that I can't quite pin, but they aren't aligned with her breasts. I shan't comment further on her facial expression.

Right-hand girl also has no stomach, and her waist looks like it might swivel without twisting considering how her legs look like they're facing towards us and her torso away (but the shading on the legs is kind of weird no matter how I look at it, so maybe I'm just wrong there). She isn't punching directly into her opponent but off at an angle, and given the way her hair is trailing she's leaning out of the punch instead of putting her weight into it, despite the gritty expression on her face.

edited 10th Apr '13 4:18:35 PM by Noaqiyeum

Great, the picture just went from off to unsettling.

I would be in favor of swapping the image out due the artist's other work but currently we can take still shots from porn and use them as images so long as the images are not porn in of themselves. So it is not a reason to replace unless we change the content policy (which I would be in favor of, but that is outside the bounds of this thread).

Also the rules currently also say swapping images on grounds of 'this image is of better quality than this image' is also not a reason to swap. Speaking of which, what is going on with the assailant's arm in the proposed image?

edited 10th Apr '13 4:45:17 PM by EditorPallMall

"Also the rules currently also say swapping images on grounds of 'this image is of better quality than this image' is also not a reason to swap."

What. How does that make the smallest grain of sense?

edited 10th Apr '13 4:46:45 PM by Elbruno

Yeah, that is wrong. In fact, pure quality swaps are a free action.

I read one of the rules wrong. Swapping out because you do not like the art style is not allowed; but replacing an image with one of better quality is.

In which case, if a consensus is reached that the proposed image is of better quality, let that image replace the current one.

This still seems like a style choice rather than an actual quality one. Even if the art style is off, I still prefer the current. It actually looks painful, while the suggestion doesn't look like much more than a playful slap.

The flaws are technical, not stylistic. You can't have a 'stylistic flaw', at least not for our purposes. :P

I don't really see a difference in pain between the two - one is moaning gasping/shouting, the other is crying and gritting her teeth. But I'm not sure showing pain makes a difference for showing the trope anyway.

Because the right girl in the suggestion looks totally realistic.

A cartoonier style gets held to different standards than a realistic style. That's why I said that the flaws are technical rather than stylistic. The two are different styles of artwork, but one is much better-drawn than the other.

I don't buy it. You also listed flaws that are a part of that "realistic" artstyle.

Quality in IP terms is about image quality (compression artifacts, size, etc), not drawing skill quality.